A profile in courage happened on the Senate floor this afternoon.

Some excerpts below.

"Mr. President, I rise to say enough." "Reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused." "Republicans wouldn't accept Trump's behavior from Democrats." "Our allies looking elsewhere for leadership." Trump's conduct dangerous to our democracy." "We have fooled ourselves long enough that Trump will return to civility." Real hurt in the country, Trump rushes for someone to blame." "Profoundly misguided to say nothing of Trump's behavior." " We didn't become great by calling fake things true and true things fake." "Stop pretending that behavior by some is normal." "GOP could turn into backward looking minority party." "Anger and resentment are not a governing philosophy." "I will not be complicit or silent."

Bravo Senator Flake.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

rsvman
I don't know that candukid was completely misunderstanding you. I like to think you're beyond the hyperbole that was in your post to which he responded. And, while I'm not espousing communism, your example of such is extreme. More talented and hard-working people, even in communist cultures often receive greater rewards and opportunities. And, contrary to your statement about fostering a discussion the post he replied to was not one that'd do such.

Regardless, must "reward" be monetary? Just because our society is capitalist? Me thinks not.

      LBlack14 And in typical lberal fashion, you're full of fucking shit! Go read the transcript.

      And in typical conservative fashion you have just the great intelligent comeback. I read the fucking transcript Landon. Maybe you should read it and actually understand what he is saying. Take your head out of trumps ass and get with the program. Maybe you should go somewhere other than Fox News to get your information. Maybe even a foreign site like the bbc or cbc. Then maybe you will understand. But then again probably not.

          LBlack14 the transcript is hardly flattering for Trump. No he does not specify who he grabbed by the vajj, it certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law. As he puts it, is "locker room talk". He was married to his current wife at the time, what a stand up guy!

          Yeah them "fucking liberals", what about them "fucking conservatives", or those "fucking Republicans" or those "fucking Democrats" or those "fucking independents". Fucking people, lol

              professor I guess I was using hyperbole to explain a "slippery slope" argument about government-funded health care. If we were in a room soaking to each other it would not have come off the way it obviously did.
              I apologize. It was not my intention to inflame people, not was it my intention to imply that nobody should ever pay for things that others enjoy.
              Having said that, I do think that the concept is at least somewhat antithetical to the ethos of many Americans, and further that there does come a point where the government takes too much of the wage-earner's money. I'm already north of 40%.

                  Medicare is not currently 100% self funded. Part D is and was always unfunded, Part B is partially unfunded, est about 25%. Also about 10% of the people on Medicare are under the age of 65.

                  Medicare is about 15 to 17% of the Federal Budget.

                  Par4QC

                  What don't you get? Medicare is a single payer healthcare system for people over 65. It's a form of socialism. rsvman said he didn't want to pay for other peoples healthcare. My response was we already have a single payer healthcare system called Medicare for people over 65. Where OTHER people pay into the system to pay for healthcare.

                  You're hung up on semantics or something.

                    LBlack14

                    "Just start kissing them ... I don't even wait" and "grab 'em by the pussy".

                    Groping a women in her private parts is sexual assault. Those are his words.

                        Sneakylong I don't think anybody is arguing that that would constitute sexual assault. What people are wondering is whether he actually did any of those things, or whether it is just his ego talking to make himself sound "good" to somebody else.

                        Everybody knows that he's an enormous egomaniac and everybody knows that he lies a lot. That's a recipe for making up stories like that. Is it crude and undignified to talk like that? Yes. But it's only sexual assault if he actually did it. I think that's the only question.

                            JFK was the biggest cock hound that ever stepped foot in the White House and the democrats still have his picture hanging on the living room. Bill had an eye for the ladies and he paid the price in a small way. The guys like Trump that talk a big game tend to be the most harmless.

                              candukid And in your typical comeback which is nothing, as usual. Nowhere did he say he grabbed anybody anywhere. Understand? I'll have you know there Hilary, that I hardly watch either CNN or Fox, but do take in both from time to time. I can figure between the 2, unlike yourself. And as far as the hate goes, I see it here from the accepting and tolerant. Like has been said, he never caused the hate, he just exposed it. And another thing, what the fuck do you care anyway? Mind your Canadian business and leave ours to us as in WE THE PEOPLE.

                                  Sneakylong "Just start kissing them ... I don't even wait" and "grab 'em by the pussy".

                                  You seem to have, conveniently, edited the actual transcript.

                                      ode the transcript is hardly flattering for Trump. No he does not specify who he grabbed by the vajj, it certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law. As he puts it, is "locker room talk". He was married to his current wife at the time, what a stand up guy!

                                      Chad, do you get out much? Would you consider yourself a man of the world? Hang out at ballparks, gyms, bars etc? I'm asking seriously. I hear much the same on a daily basis, not only at those places that I used to frequent frequently, but in the workplace as well. Very rarely do I involve myself in those conversations, believe it or not, just not how I was raised, but I can guarantee you 1 thing, I'm not gonna get my tighty whiteys in a wad because of it. I know plenty of "stand up" guys who do partake. IT IS "Locker room talk"/ guys being guys and I mean lawyers, cops, ATF agents, bailiffs, judges, businessmen etc, etc. Back in my younger days, those were the "after work" crowd I drank and hung out with when I lived in South Florida. They came to my place of business/home to talk that talk and consume free alcohol provided by my boss(I lived in the same building I worked 86-87). We were 1 of the largest firearms dealers in South Florida. I'd venture to say that it was MUCH WORSE than what I heard on that tape. Hopefully you're not shocked by this. 😉

                                      He never said/ "admitted" that he grabbed ANYBODY by the vajj, period.

                                      And yes, WE, THE FUCKING PEOPLE!!

                                      • ode replied to this.

                                          "Under the Constitution, health care is not a right; it is a good -- like an education or a gym membership. You work hard, you decide what goods to purchase. If government gives you the good, that does not magically transform it into a right."

                                          "In 21st-century America, health care is not a privilege or a benefit or an entitlement; it is a human right."

                                          LBlack14 Mind your Canadian business and leave ours to us and in WE THE PEOPLE.

                                          The problem with that is this: if he goes off the deep end, it is the whole fucking world's business.

                                            LBlack14 Legitimate question for you LBlack: Do you like to be misconstrued and assumed to be the prototype or poster child for some generalized group of people who display certain attributes? For instance, do you not think that we "liberals" might function within a range of 'liberalism' - some more liberal than other liberals? Or are you comfortable in being considered a far right wing, tea-bagger, kook? Perhaps the dialog goes a bit better with a few less F-bombs and dismissive, conversation-ending declarations?

                                            I don't mind perspectives from folks who come from other countries or cultures. FGI used to have those members. Beyond that, candukid gave you a substantial and rational reply as to his and their vested interest.

                                                Tinker Does that mean JFK and Bill Clinton's infidelity toward their wives and marriage vows is okay? Then, want the point of your apologist perspective. If you wanna run that route then you'll realize that JFK had one wife as did Clinton. Nonetheless, your "logic" that "guys like Trump...tend to be the most harmless" is just dismissive and insensitive. Ignorant men who treat women like chattel, who have positions of power are far from harmless!