Sneakylong I don't think anybody is arguing that that would constitute sexual assault. What people are wondering is whether he actually did any of those things, or whether it is just his ego talking to make himself sound "good" to somebody else.

Everybody knows that he's an enormous egomaniac and everybody knows that he lies a lot. That's a recipe for making up stories like that. Is it crude and undignified to talk like that? Yes. But it's only sexual assault if he actually did it. I think that's the only question.

      JFK was the biggest cock hound that ever stepped foot in the White House and the democrats still have his picture hanging on the living room. Bill had an eye for the ladies and he paid the price in a small way. The guys like Trump that talk a big game tend to be the most harmless.

        candukid And in your typical comeback which is nothing, as usual. Nowhere did he say he grabbed anybody anywhere. Understand? I'll have you know there Hilary, that I hardly watch either CNN or Fox, but do take in both from time to time. I can figure between the 2, unlike yourself. And as far as the hate goes, I see it here from the accepting and tolerant. Like has been said, he never caused the hate, he just exposed it. And another thing, what the fuck do you care anyway? Mind your Canadian business and leave ours to us as in WE THE PEOPLE.

            Sneakylong "Just start kissing them ... I don't even wait" and "grab 'em by the pussy".

            You seem to have, conveniently, edited the actual transcript.

                ode the transcript is hardly flattering for Trump. No he does not specify who he grabbed by the vajj, it certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law. As he puts it, is "locker room talk". He was married to his current wife at the time, what a stand up guy!

                Chad, do you get out much? Would you consider yourself a man of the world? Hang out at ballparks, gyms, bars etc? I'm asking seriously. I hear much the same on a daily basis, not only at those places that I used to frequent frequently, but in the workplace as well. Very rarely do I involve myself in those conversations, believe it or not, just not how I was raised, but I can guarantee you 1 thing, I'm not gonna get my tighty whiteys in a wad because of it. I know plenty of "stand up" guys who do partake. IT IS "Locker room talk"/ guys being guys and I mean lawyers, cops, ATF agents, bailiffs, judges, businessmen etc, etc. Back in my younger days, those were the "after work" crowd I drank and hung out with when I lived in South Florida. They came to my place of business/home to talk that talk and consume free alcohol provided by my boss(I lived in the same building I worked 86-87). We were 1 of the largest firearms dealers in South Florida. I'd venture to say that it was MUCH WORSE than what I heard on that tape. Hopefully you're not shocked by this. 😉

                He never said/ "admitted" that he grabbed ANYBODY by the vajj, period.

                And yes, WE, THE FUCKING PEOPLE!!

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                    LBlack14 Mind your Canadian business and leave ours to us and in WE THE PEOPLE.

                    The problem with that is this: if he goes off the deep end, it is the whole fucking world's business.

                      LBlack14 Legitimate question for you LBlack: Do you like to be misconstrued and assumed to be the prototype or poster child for some generalized group of people who display certain attributes? For instance, do you not think that we "liberals" might function within a range of 'liberalism' - some more liberal than other liberals? Or are you comfortable in being considered a far right wing, tea-bagger, kook? Perhaps the dialog goes a bit better with a few less F-bombs and dismissive, conversation-ending declarations?

                      I don't mind perspectives from folks who come from other countries or cultures. FGI used to have those members. Beyond that, candukid gave you a substantial and rational reply as to his and their vested interest.

                          Tinker Does that mean JFK and Bill Clinton's infidelity toward their wives and marriage vows is okay? Then, want the point of your apologist perspective. If you wanna run that route then you'll realize that JFK had one wife as did Clinton. Nonetheless, your "logic" that "guys like Trump...tend to be the most harmless" is just dismissive and insensitive. Ignorant men who treat women like chattel, who have positions of power are far from harmless!

                            LBlack14 yeah, I've heard worse, and said worse, but then again I'm not the prez, nor am I married. You seem to equate "fucking liberals" with all things said negative about the prez....but yet I hear it from all those "fucking" groups I referenced. Cool you don't like liberals, but they aren't the only people criticizing Trump. Re his comments, he said it, and folks are going to surmise that is who he is. He put himself in that position not me, nit any "fucking liberals"

                            Plenty of locker room talk to say you are a walking hard on. Grabbing women by the vajj-

                            That's just stupid.

                            I tend not to criticize Trump the way many liberals do as this is exactly what he wants, the names, the mental health diagnosis, racist, etc. It simply emboldens many of the folks that support him, many are sick of being told what they are or aren't. IMO they need to stfu and let the folks who align with him policy wise, do the criticizing, as it's not likely to stop. It's as if Trump supporters think he's above reproach! It's laughable.

                                Prof. I like to think I know how to talk and act in all company. I have been in as many bars and locker rooms as the next guy and heard talk of any kind you can imagine from both men and women. If that made them all dangerous I’ll never know but I doubt it. The left assumes it’s all true and tries( with the help of their biased media fanatics) to project our President a monster. It’s a sore looser grasping for straws mentality. I worked the polling place all day Election Day ( for a democratic mayor that I sopport) and didn’t see one Russian that I could tell interfere with anything. More sore looser crap.

                                  ode

                                  If you look back, you said "fucking liberals", I didn't. I don't "hate" liberals, I can't understand the far left. I'm married to a liberal/democrat, we don't talk politics much at all. I have liberal friends (some, not many) who don't call our president everything, but a white man and we get along just fine. I don't believe I ever referred to the last guy in that fashion, I actually rooted for him the 1st 4 years. If our President fails, we fail and I certainly don't think President Trump is failing nor do I believe there should be a double standard.

                                  professor I don't see myself as a far right, tea bagger, kook, only the FAR left see it that way. You guys are so far left even the moderates have a crick in their necks.

                                        PS- I can get along with just about anybody, politics aside.

                                        LBlack14 lol, you have said/typed that term several times, going back to fgi you are not fooling anyone.

                                        It's all good, I take it as a compliment😉

                                            ode I'm not trying to "fool" anyone, believe you me.

                                              I've been in many a locker room and have never heard anyone admitting to sexual assault. Trump's behavior is not normal. Nothing about this jerk is normal. Yet his supporters bend over backwards trying to normalize him.

                                              He congratulates dictators and insults democratic leaders. For whatever reason some are drawn to his authoritarian, debasing, undignified, uncivilized, braggadocious, lying style. Where they see a qualified leader, I see a skilled con artist.

                                              Don't get it myself, but to each their own.

                                              Need to see more Flakes and Corkers to tell this would be Emperor that he has no clothes.

                                              While his supporters cheer on this idiots behavior, his cabinet is quietly dismantling all the progress we made in the last many years. Just look at the EPA and Education Depts. for a glimpse.

                                              This demagogue is doing a lot of damage that is going under the radar. 2020 can't come fast enough. Could it be Uncle Joe will be the one to take this con man down? 😎

                                              Well, he did allow sales of weapons grade uranium to go to the Russians, sent huge volumes of cash to the Iranian government, and normalized relationships with an oppressive Cuban government. (Whoops! - my mistake. That was a different president). I must admit that I haven't paid much attention to the crotch grab stuff, but what I've heard is that he said something along the lines of when you're rich and famous women will let you get away with that. If it even happened, sounds like it was consensual and not assault as you are describing it. Crude yes, assault no. I know Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, and Kathleen Willey said it was not consensual (oops. Sorry - that was a different president also. However, his wife said those woman were liars anyway, so it doesn't matter).