Reading Comprehension

professor · 2017-10-14T15:15:57+00:00

Some folks here seem to express interest in discussion beyond golf and sports... So, here's some grist for your mill. I'm curious as to who and how far the...

candukid

PA-PLAYA
I have never seen the pubs and Dems compromise on anything important if I recall.
As for the big guy, HE has to give and take also. It cannot be my way or the highway like he is used to doing in his business life. He just doesn't seem to get that he cannot operate the government like he did his empire. Sure, you wanted change and voted him in based on his claims of locking her up and draining the swamp etc. Where'd that get you? He lies repeatedly and won't ever admit he was wrong. Will not make any friends on either side of the fence with that attitude. That is why your country is going to get nothing done while he is in the chair. Fact of life. Won't get better until you actually get a real politician back in there. It's been almost a year now and nothing has happened of any importance.

Sneakylong

PA-PLAYA

Should people who live in apartments be able to send their kids to public schools? After all renters don't pay real estate taxes and are therefore subsidized by people who own homes. I'd rather subsidize poor people in order to get access to quality healthcare than wealthy oil companies.

The subsidy argument doesn't hold water.

puttnfool

Sneakylong

Sneakylong After all renters don't pay real estate taxes and are therefore subsidized by people who own homes

Saying a renter doesn't pay real estate taxes is like saying that you didn't pay for the wheels when you bought the car. The cost is included. Just because it's not itemized for you to see nice and pretty, in black and white, doesn't mean it's not included.

Sneakylong

PA-PLAYA

Trump is proving to be a huge flip flopper. Mainly because he has no ideology. He doesn't believe in anything (except self-aggrandizement) and is easily distracted. Just recently he agreed with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi on a deal regarding DACA, then backs off.

Tells Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray to make a short term deal on the ACA (yes including subsidies) and when they do make a deal he backs off.

But what is to be expected by someone who is a pathological liar and has no integrity.

He's clueless. But yes he managed to hoodwink enough people to get elected. P.T. Barnum was proved right. Here's the latest proof of ineptitude. The first lady has chosen to (combat) make school bullying her platform. 🙄

How ironic. She should start with her husband the 'bullier' in chief. His daily life is all about bullying / insulting / name calling / starting fights. The latest with a gold star widow. But this is what a majority of voters wanted. An ignorant, lying, boasting, bullying buffoon. Someone who brings great stature, dignity and pride to the highest office.🙄

A daddy figure to many I'm sure. Malfeasance is alive and well in the oval office.

rsvman

candukid Wow. You seem to have completely misinterpreted my post. I was merely asking questions in the hope of stimulating some reasonable discussion.

The fundamental concept is this: human beings, in general, are best motivated by rewards. This is a proven psychological fact. What kind of long-term success of a system can be expected if rewards are removed from the equation? What is the benefit of intellect and hard work? What is going to motivate people to do their best if the rewards of doing so are taken away from them and given to people who don't even try?

professor

rsvman
I don't know that candukid was completely misunderstanding you. I like to think you're beyond the hyperbole that was in your post to which he responded. And, while I'm not espousing communism, your example of such is extreme. More talented and hard-working people, even in communist cultures often receive greater rewards and opportunities. And, contrary to your statement about fostering a discussion the post he replied to was not one that'd do such.

Regardless, must "reward" be monetary? Just because our society is capitalist? Me thinks not.

Sneakylong

Par4QC

Duh. 'Other people' as in taxpayers and employers. There was a bouncing ball to follow in rsvman's and my discussion. rsvman believes healthcare is not a right and argued why should he pay for other peoples healthcare. My argument is we all ( i.e. taxpayers and employers) already do pay for healthcare for people over 65.

Not sure what your point was, but to be honest I have a hard time following a lot of your points. Next time keep your eye on the ball. 😉

Tinker

First, if Clinton would have been a straight shooter there would have no dirt for the “Russians” or anyone else to dig up. Would you rather have had the country go to the polls with their heads in the sand? It’s great to have a free press but if they are going to dig they have to dig it all. Yo see a CNN reporter crying on election nite was an unprofessional disgrace, and they let this person moderate a debate. Give me a break.

Sneakylong

Tinker

I suppose you said the same thing back in 1972 when the 'plumbers' broke into the Watergate Hotel to get dirt on the democrats. Straight shooter about what? Taking her homework home with her (the equivalent of the over hyped email scandal).

What's an unprofessional disgrace is this boob who is in the Whitehouse. Admitting to sexual assault is a disgrace. Lying continually is a disgrace. Bulling people is a disgrace. Giving a false equivalency to Nazi white nationalists and people who protest against such hate groups is a disgrace. Continually (for years) saying your predecessor wasn't born in this country and then never apologizing is a disgrace.

I can keep going if you want. This bozo is a complete phony and a huge disgrace. Everyday he disgraces the office that he holds.

puttnfool

Sneakylong Admitting to sexual assault is a disgrace.

... but lying about it, shaming your victims, and pretending it never happened is graceful?

Lying continually is a disgrace.

That's fairly vague. Please name someone who hasn't lied. I'll wait.

Bulling people is a disgrace.

Assuming you just can't spell and meant "bullying". If so, bullying is a made up issue to create victims. When I was growing up, kids (and I'd presume adults, too) weren't taught to lie down and be a victim. If someone was messin' with you, you either ignored it because it wasn't worth your time or you did what needed to be done to stop it.

Giving a false equivalency to Nazi white nationalists and people who protest against such hate groups is a disgrace.

You're reaching again. False equivalency? Please.

Continually (for years) saying your predecessor wasn't born in this country and then never apologizing is a disgrace.

Did the worthless predecessor ever price him wrong? I didn't think so...

LBlack14

Where did President Trump admit to sexual assault??? Typical. Over hyped email scandal??? Really??? Anyone else would be locked up for a fraction of what she did and that's a fact!

I'm looking forward to the next 7 yrs with Donald Trump as our President. Watch yourself.

Sneakylong

LBlack14

Have you been under a rock? He was caught on tape saying he grabbed women by their pussies. That IS sexual assault.

LBlack14

Sneakylong
And in typical lberal fashion, you're full of fucking shit! Go read the transcript.

puttnfool

Sneakylong Have you been under a rock? He was caught on tape saying he grabbed women by their pussies. That IS sexual assault.

What I heard was he said, "... They let you grab them by the pussy.". Sounded to me like he was saying that women were so enamored by his status, money, and fame that they'd let him grab them by their virginias. That. Is. Not. Assault.

Weirfan

Sneakylong

A profile in courage happened on the Senate floor this afternoon.

Some excerpts below.

"Mr. President, I rise to say enough." "Reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused." "Republicans wouldn't accept Trump's behavior from Democrats." "Our allies looking elsewhere for leadership." Trump's conduct dangerous to our democracy." "We have fooled ourselves long enough that Trump will return to civility." Real hurt in the country, Trump rushes for someone to blame." "Profoundly misguided to say nothing of Trump's behavior." " We didn't become great by calling fake things true and true things fake." "Stop pretending that behavior by some is normal." "GOP could turn into backward looking minority party." "Anger and resentment are not a governing philosophy." "I will not be complicit or silent."

Bravo Senator Flake.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

rsvman

professor I guess I was using hyperbole to explain a "slippery slope" argument about government-funded health care. If we were in a room soaking to each other it would not have come off the way it obviously did.
I apologize. It was not my intention to inflame people, not was it my intention to imply that nobody should ever pay for things that others enjoy.
Having said that, I do think that the concept is at least somewhat antithetical to the ethos of many Americans, and further that there does come a point where the government takes too much of the wage-earner's money. I'm already north of 40%.

candukid

LBlack14 And in typical lberal fashion, you're full of fucking shit! Go read the transcript.

And in typical conservative fashion you have just the great intelligent comeback. I read the fucking transcript Landon. Maybe you should read it and actually understand what he is saying. Take your head out of trumps ass and get with the program. Maybe you should go somewhere other than Fox News to get your information. Maybe even a foreign site like the bbc or cbc. Then maybe you will understand. But then again probably not.

ode

LBlack14 the transcript is hardly flattering for Trump. No he does not specify who he grabbed by the vajj, it certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law. As he puts it, is "locker room talk". He was married to his current wife at the time, what a stand up guy!

Yeah them "fucking liberals", what about them "fucking conservatives", or those "fucking Republicans" or those "fucking Democrats" or those "fucking independents". Fucking people, lol

Sneakylong

LBlack14

"Just start kissing them ... I don't even wait" and "grab 'em by the pussy".

Groping a women in her private parts is sexual assault. Those are his words.

professor

LBlack14 Legitimate question for you LBlack: Do you like to be misconstrued and assumed to be the prototype or poster child for some generalized group of people who display certain attributes? For instance, do you not think that we "liberals" might function within a range of 'liberalism' - some more liberal than other liberals? Or are you comfortable in being considered a far right wing, tea-bagger, kook? Perhaps the dialog goes a bit better with a few less F-bombs and dismissive, conversation-ending declarations?

I don't mind perspectives from folks who come from other countries or cultures. FGI used to have those members. Beyond that, candukid gave you a substantial and rational reply as to his and their vested interest.

LBlack14

candukid And in your typical comeback which is nothing, as usual. Nowhere did he say he grabbed anybody anywhere. Understand? I'll have you know there Hilary, that I hardly watch either CNN or Fox, but do take in both from time to time. I can figure between the 2, unlike yourself. And as far as the hate goes, I see it here from the accepting and tolerant. Like has been said, he never caused the hate, he just exposed it. And another thing, what the fuck do you care anyway? Mind your Canadian business and leave ours to us as in WE THE PEOPLE.

LBlack14

ode the transcript is hardly flattering for Trump. No he does not specify who he grabbed by the vajj, it certainly wouldn't hold up in a court of law. As he puts it, is "locker room talk". He was married to his current wife at the time, what a stand up guy!

Chad, do you get out much? Would you consider yourself a man of the world? Hang out at ballparks, gyms, bars etc? I'm asking seriously. I hear much the same on a daily basis, not only at those places that I used to frequent frequently, but in the workplace as well. Very rarely do I involve myself in those conversations, believe it or not, just not how I was raised, but I can guarantee you 1 thing, I'm not gonna get my tighty whiteys in a wad because of it. I know plenty of "stand up" guys who do partake. IT IS "Locker room talk"/ guys being guys and I mean lawyers, cops, ATF agents, bailiffs, judges, businessmen etc, etc. Back in my younger days, those were the "after work" crowd I drank and hung out with when I lived in South Florida. They came to my place of business/home to talk that talk and consume free alcohol provided by my boss(I lived in the same building I worked 86-87). We were 1 of the largest firearms dealers in South Florida. I'd venture to say that it was MUCH WORSE than what I heard on that tape. Hopefully you're not shocked by this. 😉

He never said/ "admitted" that he grabbed ANYBODY by the vajj, period.

And yes, WE, THE FUCKING PEOPLE!!

professor

rsvman It's all good. I'm not inflamed.

Martee

Medicare is not currently 100% self funded. Part D is and was always unfunded, Part B is partially unfunded, est about 25%. Also about 10% of the people on Medicare are under the age of 65.

Medicare is about 15 to 17% of the Federal Budget.

Sneakylong

Par4QC

What don't you get? Medicare is a single payer healthcare system for people over 65. It's a form of socialism. rsvman said he didn't want to pay for other peoples healthcare. My response was we already have a single payer healthcare system called Medicare for people over 65. Where OTHER people pay into the system to pay for healthcare.

You're hung up on semantics or something.

rsvman

Sneakylong I don't think anybody is arguing that that would constitute sexual assault. What people are wondering is whether he actually did any of those things, or whether it is just his ego talking to make himself sound "good" to somebody else.

Everybody knows that he's an enormous egomaniac and everybody knows that he lies a lot. That's a recipe for making up stories like that. Is it crude and undignified to talk like that? Yes. But it's only sexual assault if he actually did it. I think that's the only question.

LBlack14

Sneakylong "Just start kissing them ... I don't even wait" and "grab 'em by the pussy".

You seem to have, conveniently, edited the actual transcript.

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