Well, since the conversation changed to a specific topic, it might be more manageable. The issue is third party insurance companies. They offer no service and cull their money right off the top. Tort reform is part of this problem. California has made progress because of changes they've made.
Whether or not healthcare is a right? That's more about how civilized we think we are or want to be. But, if we're gonna subsidize all the uninsured's trips to the ER, we might as well fix the damn system - the problem.
Reading Comprehension
candukid
Exactly!!! But, still we're addressing the symptoms in this thread and not the problem.
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It requires both sides coming together to fix it. We were divided back in 2012, and 5 years later we're still divided. We can point fingers all we want, but it doesn't change the fact that the people that were elected to serve (then, and since then) have refused to come to the table and hash out a compromise that works for the greater good.
I have never, in my 48 years of existence on this planet, seen such a divided country.
And that doesn't bode well moving forward. Without compromise and working together - nothing improves and society suffers as a consequence.
But how is that going to happen? they hate each other and both dislike the big guy.
Time for football. Eagles will triumph
Whether they like it or not, he is our President for the next three years.
And it's worth noting that he was elected, in due part, because he wasn't the standard, run-of-the-mill polished politician who's gifted in covering up lies and saying one thing and doing another. If nothing else - the democrats know exactly where Trump stands on issues. He's not gonna flip-flop just to suit the party he represents.
He's pissed off as many people in his own party as he has those from the other side. Which, again, is primarily why he was elected to begin with.
So to answer your question - if you're a democrat - you soothe his ego. You find common ground, figure out where there's room to work, room to persuade, room to perhaps influence the perception that you're not completely against everything he "supposedly" stands for. You find out where he's willing to compromise and negotiate. And sometimes there's nothing there worth compromising. But in certain areas - there are.
And it's been this way with every US President since the inception of our nation.
It might seem like something completely unique to our political system given who has been elected, but the same premise holds true. He can certainly be influenced, but the opposing side seems bound and determined to "do what the republicans did to Obama" from 2012-2016 with the stonewalling and what have you.
Again, this gets us nowhere. Compromise is the only way forward.
PA-PLAYA
I have never seen the pubs and Dems compromise on anything important if I recall.
As for the big guy, HE has to give and take also. It cannot be my way or the highway like he is used to doing in his business life. He just doesn't seem to get that he cannot operate the government like he did his empire. Sure, you wanted change and voted him in based on his claims of locking her up and draining the swamp etc. Where'd that get you? He lies repeatedly and won't ever admit he was wrong. Will not make any friends on either side of the fence with that attitude. That is why your country is going to get nothing done while he is in the chair. Fact of life. Won't get better until you actually get a real politician back in there. It's been almost a year now and nothing has happened of any importance.
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Should people who live in apartments be able to send their kids to public schools? After all renters don't pay real estate taxes and are therefore subsidized by people who own homes. I'd rather subsidize poor people in order to get access to quality healthcare than wealthy oil companies.
The subsidy argument doesn't hold water.
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Trump is proving to be a huge flip flopper. Mainly because he has no ideology. He doesn't believe in anything (except self-aggrandizement) and is easily distracted. Just recently he agreed with Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi on a deal regarding DACA, then backs off.
Tells Lamar Alexander and Patty Murray to make a short term deal on the ACA (yes including subsidies) and when they do make a deal he backs off.
But what is to be expected by someone who is a pathological liar and has no integrity.
He's clueless. But yes he managed to hoodwink enough people to get elected. P.T. Barnum was proved right. Here's the latest proof of ineptitude. The first lady has chosen to (combat) make school bullying her platform.
How ironic. She should start with her husband the 'bullier' in chief. His daily life is all about bullying / insulting / name calling / starting fights. The latest with a gold star widow. But this is what a majority of voters wanted. An ignorant, lying, boasting, bullying buffoon. Someone who brings great stature, dignity and pride to the highest office.
A daddy figure to many I'm sure. Malfeasance is alive and well in the oval office.
candukid Wow. You seem to have completely misinterpreted my post. I was merely asking questions in the hope of stimulating some reasonable discussion.
The fundamental concept is this: human beings, in general, are best motivated by rewards. This is a proven psychological fact. What kind of long-term success of a system can be expected if rewards are removed from the equation? What is the benefit of intellect and hard work? What is going to motivate people to do their best if the rewards of doing so are taken away from them and given to people who don't even try?
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Duh. 'Other people' as in taxpayers and employers. There was a bouncing ball to follow in rsvman's and my discussion. rsvman believes healthcare is not a right and argued why should he pay for other peoples healthcare. My argument is we all ( i.e. taxpayers and employers) already do pay for healthcare for people over 65.
Not sure what your point was, but to be honest I have a hard time following a lot of your points. Next time keep your eye on the ball.
First, if Clinton would have been a straight shooter there would have no dirt for the βRussiansβ or anyone else to dig up. Would you rather have had the country go to the polls with their heads in the sand? Itβs great to have a free press but if they are going to dig they have to dig it all. Yo see a CNN reporter crying on election nite was an unprofessional disgrace, and they let this person moderate a debate. Give me a break.
I suppose you said the same thing back in 1972 when the 'plumbers' broke into the Watergate Hotel to get dirt on the democrats. Straight shooter about what? Taking her homework home with her (the equivalent of the over hyped email scandal).
What's an unprofessional disgrace is this boob who is in the Whitehouse. Admitting to sexual assault is a disgrace. Lying continually is a disgrace. Bulling people is a disgrace. Giving a false equivalency to Nazi white nationalists and people who protest against such hate groups is a disgrace. Continually (for years) saying your predecessor wasn't born in this country and then never apologizing is a disgrace.
I can keep going if you want. This bozo is a complete phony and a huge disgrace. Everyday he disgraces the office that he holds.
Where did President Trump admit to sexual assault??? Typical. Over hyped email scandal??? Really??? Anyone else would be locked up for a fraction of what she did and that's a fact!
I'm looking forward to the next 7 yrs with Donald Trump as our President. Watch yourself.
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Have you been under a rock? He was caught on tape saying he grabbed women by their pussies. That IS sexual assault.
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A profile in courage happened on the Senate floor this afternoon.
Some excerpts below.
"Mr. President, I rise to say enough." "Reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused." "Republicans wouldn't accept Trump's behavior from Democrats." "Our allies looking elsewhere for leadership." Trump's conduct dangerous to our democracy." "We have fooled ourselves long enough that Trump will return to civility." Real hurt in the country, Trump rushes for someone to blame." "Profoundly misguided to say nothing of Trump's behavior." " We didn't become great by calling fake things true and true things fake." "Stop pretending that behavior by some is normal." "GOP could turn into backward looking minority party." "Anger and resentment are not a governing philosophy." "I will not be complicit or silent."
Bravo Senator Flake.
rsvman
I don't know that candukid was completely misunderstanding you. I like to think you're beyond the hyperbole that was in your post to which he responded. And, while I'm not espousing communism, your example of such is extreme. More talented and hard-working people, even in communist cultures often receive greater rewards and opportunities. And, contrary to your statement about fostering a discussion the post he replied to was not one that'd do such.
Regardless, must "reward" be monetary? Just because our society is capitalist? Me thinks not.
Sneakylong
And in typical lberal fashion, you're full of fucking shit! Go read the transcript.