JB Holmes - what would you have done?

A majority of these guys dick around and take too much time. J.B. especially. Jason Day is another 5-hour round guy.

I know these guys are competing for a lot of money, but it doesn't exactly make me interested to tune-in on a Sunday afternoon, not even when there's snow on the ground and nothing to do outside (unless it's a major). And even then I've got the DVR cooking, intentionally delay watching for a few hours so I can FFW through the ass-scratching, mindless chatter in the booth and overall silly bullcrap.

As to his decision to go for it or lay-up.... can't speak to that, because I didn't watch. So for me to be critical of anything other than his habitually slow-ass play would be improper, only to say that if it did take him 5 minutes to determine the triangulation of the moon, the incoming tides, and the planet's center-of-gravity put upon that specific parcel of land that he was on as he was about to play his next shot - it doesn't come as a shock.

He's one of the slowest players on tour. Notoriously slow.

I mean....how long does it take to make a decision as to whether to play for the cash (lay up) if you need
the money or go for the gold (fire at the green and get into the playoff).......really ? It is an easy decision
if you need the cash.

ode correct me if I'm wrong, but there's more on the line than just the paycheck after that round?

No one made eagle on the 18th. JB wasn't in a great spot, and the wind was making it more difficult. Chances of eagle were very slim and he probably decided to take the increased paycheck and remove bogey from play.

I don't buy the "making a decision in the situation" story. 4+ minutes is way too long when there is no ruling present and you're away. He wasn't making a decision, he was trying to wait out the wind.

I take it all back, the final group took 6 hours to play, he's on pace by my previous calculations, lol, keep it up JB!

ode You're doing the math all wrong. It already takes about for hours to play, when guys are taking maybe a minute to think about each shot.
So really you would have to add three minutes for each shot. On a par 70 course, that's 210 minutes added to four hours.
So now the round is 7.5 hours.

Crap or get off the pot, as they used to say.

Rickochet If he were put on the clock, he would have 40 seconds to play the shot. He is always painfully slow but 4.1 minutes is ridiculous and unfair to the other players and the fans.

In situations where a player is taking too much time his playing partners should go ahead and hit their shot. In this case Noren should've signaled to Holmes that he would go ahead and hit his shot. If I was Noren that's what I would've done. Noren ended up hitting a good shot, but having to stand their and wait close to 5 minutes could be a disruption for anyone.

Easy for me to say, I would have gone for it. I always do and that is why I am not a PGA player, well that and I suck, but that’s part of it!

If I were Holmes' caddie, I'd have voted for going for it. He's got the length and he wasn't going to win by laying up.

Sneakylong Noren ended up hitting a good shot,

He airmailed the green and was lucky it didn't exit the course down the walkway.
It was likely a result of the extra adrenaline he brewed up getting pissed off having to stand around and watch JB Dumbass the "professional" figure out a simple shot.

Either way Noren needs to do better, can't blame it on JB as irritating as it is! The other reality is that if they weren't on the clock, nada was gonna happen as it's the last hole. I think he's been chastised now by the media, his peers, and bloggers, if that ain't enough for him to speed it up, then he really is Captain of the DB's!

If you want to see me post an ugly score just put me out there in a five hour round. I play well when I get in a rhythm. My buddy and I get around in less than four hours without rushing. When my buddy sees a player 240 out waiting for the green to clear with an iron shinning in their hands he goes nuts. If I’m playing an important shot I want to make my decision, step up and hit it. No paralysis by analysis.

That was liking watching paint dry,just hit the ball....hell you laid up any way.
I thought Noren looked like he was getting a little irritated with what was happening,
and it showed when he blasted the ball over the green and down the tunnel....
It DID affect him! IMO

ode Either way Noren needs to do better

Maybe so.
However, JB was getting slower and slower after each bogey (3 in a row) and was taking 6 practice swings at one point on a simple lob from beside the green.
I would have putted out and John Daly'd him and I am middle of the pack speed wise.

I think what you are seeing on social media and mainstream media is a theme.
Euro guys chastising (Luke Donald) and Americans saying he wasn't slow (eg. Jimmy Walker)
It's a result of two different rules enforcement policies, which is ridiculous, imo.

Weirfan Sadly, 240 is my best drive!

I think someone has a man crush on JB!

Rickochet three minutes is not a long time to do certain things: eat breakfast, take a shower, or read a magazine article, just to name a few off the top of my head.

But what if it took you three minutes to, say, enter your PIN to pay for your groceries, or to sign your name on a document? That would be crazy long.

The perception of the length of three minutes totally depends on what the task is that one is attempting to accomplish. Three extra minutes to hit a golf shot, in my opinion, is way too long. I don't want to be behind the person who takes three minutes to key in four numbers on a keypad, and I sure as hell don't want to be behind the golfer who takes three extra minutes to hit a golf shot.

Spuzz he still has to have the balls to make that shot, but I do agree if there is ever a shot where it would be impacted by this situation it's going to be moreso the touch shots. Shame really!

I hear all the time how pace of play, at least in some parts of GB&I, is fast, ie 4somes walking in 3.5 hours or less,.it almost seems impossible given how.the pace of play is in the states and the attitudes like JB, etc., IMO I think there are far more folks who want an acceptable pace of play than not, but the reality is it won't change. JB feels entitled because, enter all the BS excuses you've already heard. I say kudos to those who have spoken up, hopefully Noren confronted him, in a professional way.

I would not play golf if it were always that slow....to me pace of play is Paramount, I'd rather play a average course with good pace then a dream course at 5-6 hrs. Every now and again OK, hell even 4.5 hours feels slow to me.

Weirfan haha, I was thinking, “he’s going to be boiling behind me, I’ll pull iron at that distance” ( when all is working well). I was going to just , because I generally get pissed watching guys that can’t hit the ball 220 off the tee waiting to hit their layup in while the other group clears. I get annoyed waiting for the fairway to clear pretty often, which I don’t know why I wait, the likelihood of me hitting something IN a fairway is pretty low.

DC300

Well , your fairways hit is better than Tiger and he waits

Rickochet And as I keep saying this was for ONE shot not every shot of the round. JB is getting grilled for taking 3 extra minutes for one shot on a very important hole. I think we are beating a dead horse at this point

He's getting grilled for the Coup De Grace but he started slowing down on the back 9 especially after he shit the bed on some iron shots and played his way out of it.
Even Dottie Pepper politely commented that she JB for a long time and that he tends to get "fidgety" when things start going poorly and that was around the 15th hole I think.

Spuzz He's getting grilled for the Coup De Grace but he started slowing down on the back 9 especially after he shit the bed on some iron shots and played his way out of it.
Even Dottie Pepper politely commented that she JB for a long time and that he tends to get "fidgety" when things start going poorly and that was around the 15th hole I think.

If he was playing too slow and fell behind he should have been notified by the officials. After filling his pants the pace of play was probably the last thing on his mind.

Rickochet
I agree but PGA Tour Officials do not enforce pace of play, ever, hence the shitstorm given the Euros in the field, and in contention.

For the record, I don't give a shit, as they weren't holding me up.
I change the channel when they start with their numerous practice swings and circling the globe (hole) before attempting a three foot straight putt.
LOL

Rickochet
Only once has the PGA assessed a penalty, IIRC.
"On the clock" is a joke to them.
Euro Tour does it more frequently, so those guys play faster.

sdandrea1 You seem to be in the minority here.

It doesn't mean I a wrong.

You either agree that J.B is a slow player or not.

I think he is. What do you guys think? Yes or No?

PA-PLAYA You either agree that J.B is a slow player or not.

I think he is. What do you guys think? Yes or No?

This thread isn't about whether he is slow or not. It is about what he did on hole #18 at the Farmers Insurance tourney.