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  • JB Holmes - what would you have done?

ode Either way Noren needs to do better

Maybe so.
However, JB was getting slower and slower after each bogey (3 in a row) and was taking 6 practice swings at one point on a simple lob from beside the green.
I would have putted out and John Daly'd him and I am middle of the pack speed wise.

I think what you are seeing on social media and mainstream media is a theme.
Euro guys chastising (Luke Donald) and Americans saying he wasn't slow (eg. Jimmy Walker)
It's a result of two different rules enforcement policies, which is ridiculous, imo.

      Tinker

      Better not play behind DC 300 and a few other Buzzers. 240 is a big 5iron , smooth 4i for him.
      i have to be up in the elevation of Sedona to hit my 4i 240 . Its a 4/5w otherwise

          I felt Noren should have told him he was going to hit. They play out of turn when a guy is waiting for a ruling, etc.

          So how long does it normally take to decide which club, check the wind and get read to hit? A minute maybe? So JB took 3 minutes more for a very important shot in adverse conditons. BFD. Everyone is getting all red-assed over 3 f-ing minutes. 😡

            The only way the tour turns 6 hour rounds (as 3-somes, no less!) into 4-and-a-half hour rounds is to start doling out penalties. I'd love to see some of the notorious slowpokes Day, Furyk, Holmes, etc. have to figure out how to execute their upcoming shot via a 40-second shot clock.

            Once the buzzer goes off - zoinks! Add another stroke! And if the buzzer goes off in your backswing - tough shit... should've gotten into your routine the second it was your turn to play.

            And it should sound something similar to an "X" from family feud. And maybe have tasers set to go off once the buzzer sounds on the offending players.

            I'd actually watch more golf if those options were in play. Wouldn't miss a tournament! LOL...

            I think someone has a man crush on JB! 😍

            In fact, let's just go ahead and do it. Can't play your next shot within 40 seconds of the time it was officially your turn to play - you get tasered.

            I'd watch every weekend. Ratings would be huge. Televised golf would be fun again.

            Imagine the look on Keegan Bradley's face, after taking 80 seconds to hit his wedge shot from 140 yards, as though he had a cattle prod stuck up his ass because he couldn't get his ball in the air prior to 40 seconds.

            This stuff would be priceless! Count me in! I'd tune in every week! lol

            Rickochet three minutes is not a long time to do certain things: eat breakfast, take a shower, or read a magazine article, just to name a few off the top of my head.

            But what if it took you three minutes to, say, enter your PIN to pay for your groceries, or to sign your name on a document? That would be crazy long.

            The perception of the length of three minutes totally depends on what the task is that one is attempting to accomplish. Three extra minutes to hit a golf shot, in my opinion, is way too long. I don't want to be behind the person who takes three minutes to key in four numbers on a keypad, and I sure as hell don't want to be behind the golfer who takes three extra minutes to hit a golf shot.

                Spuzz he still has to have the balls to make that shot, but I do agree if there is ever a shot where it would be impacted by this situation it's going to be moreso the touch shots. Shame really!

                I hear all the time how pace of play, at least in some parts of GB&I, is fast, ie 4somes walking in 3.5 hours or less,.it almost seems impossible given how.the pace of play is in the states and the attitudes like JB, etc., IMO I think there are far more folks who want an acceptable pace of play than not, but the reality is it won't change. JB feels entitled because, enter all the BS excuses you've already heard. I say kudos to those who have spoken up, hopefully Noren confronted him, in a professional way.

                I would not play golf if it were always that slow....to me pace of play is Paramount, I'd rather play a average course with good pace then a dream course at 5-6 hrs. Every now and again OK, hell even 4.5 hours feels slow to me.

                  Weirfan haha, I was thinking, “he’s going to be boiling behind me, I’ll pull iron at that distance” ( when all is working well). I was going to just 🤐, because I generally get pissed watching guys that can’t hit the ball 220 off the tee waiting to hit their layup in while the other group clears. I get annoyed waiting for the fairway to clear pretty often, which I don’t know why I wait, the likelihood of me hitting something IN a fairway is pretty low.

                      rsvman I don't want to be behind the person who takes three minutes to key in four numbers on a keypad, and I sure as hell don't want to be behind the golfer who takes three extra minutes to hit a golf shot.

                      I don't think that is a good comparison. Putting in the wrong pin# on a key pad won't cost $150k if you get it wrong. And as I keep saying this was for ONE shot not every shot of the round. JB is getting grilled for taking 3 extra minutes for one shot on a very important hole. I think we are beating a dead horse at this point.

                          DC300

                          Well , your fairways hit is better than Tiger and he waits 😉

                            Rickochet And as I keep saying this was for ONE shot not every shot of the round. JB is getting grilled for taking 3 extra minutes for one shot on a very important hole. I think we are beating a dead horse at this point

                            He's getting grilled for the Coup De Grace but he started slowing down on the back 9 especially after he shit the bed on some iron shots and played his way out of it.
                            Even Dottie Pepper politely commented that she JB for a long time and that he tends to get "fidgety" when things start going poorly and that was around the 15th hole I think.

                                Spuzz He's getting grilled for the Coup De Grace but he started slowing down on the back 9 especially after he shit the bed on some iron shots and played his way out of it.
                                Even Dottie Pepper politely commented that she JB for a long time and that he tends to get "fidgety" when things start going poorly and that was around the 15th hole I think.

                                If he was playing too slow and fell behind he should have been notified by the officials. After filling his pants the pace of play was probably the last thing on his mind.

                                    Rickochet
                                    I agree but PGA Tour Officials do not enforce pace of play, ever, hence the shitstorm given the Euros in the field, and in contention.

                                    For the record, I don't give a shit, as they weren't holding me up.
                                    I change the channel when they start with their numerous practice swings and circling the globe (hole) before attempting a three foot straight putt.
                                    LOL

                                        Spuzz I agree but PGA Tour Officials do not enforce pace of play, ever, hence the shitstorm given the Euros in the field, and in contention.

                                        I have seen them "put people on the clock." It doesn't happen often but I have seen people given penalty strokes after playing too slow after being put on the clock. It wouldn't have mattered in this situation since it was the last hole.

                                            Rickochet
                                            Only once has the PGA assessed a penalty, IIRC.
                                            "On the clock" is a joke to them.
                                            Euro Tour does it more frequently, so those guys play faster.