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  • JB Holmes - what would you have done?

Eguller I mean....how long does it take to make a decision as to whether to play for the cash (lay up) if you need
the money or go for the gold (fire at the green and get into the playoff).......really ? It is an easy decision
if you need the cash. 🤓

I just read where the wait was timed at 4 minutes and 10 seconds. That is no time considering the situation. I think this is getting blown up far too much by the media. I am seeing lots of threads on the web that say, "JB takes 4:10 to lay up." How many would have posted, "JB takes 4:10 and goes for it"?

    LBlack14 I'll answer the rhetorical question, yes😉 and it can go both ways, on the line after that week may be the simple truth of a tour pro in JB's position......which may well be that will be the only time he had a chance to win all year, we shall see!

      No one made eagle on the 18th. JB wasn't in a great spot, and the wind was making it more difficult. Chances of eagle were very slim and he probably decided to take the increased paycheck and remove bogey from play.

      I don't buy the "making a decision in the situation" story. 4+ minutes is way too long when there is no ruling present and you're away. He wasn't making a decision, he was trying to wait out the wind.

      I take it all back, the final group took 6 hours to play, he's on pace by my previous calculations, lol, keep it up JB!

      ode You're doing the math all wrong. It already takes about for hours to play, when guys are taking maybe a minute to think about each shot.
      So really you would have to add three minutes for each shot. On a par 70 course, that's 210 minutes added to four hours.
      So now the round is 7.5 hours.

      Crap or get off the pot, as they used to say.

        And he has 4 pga tour wins and 21 mil in career warnings and he's worried about a paycheck....hmmmmm, nahhhhh!

        Edit, career warnings, damn autocorrect, should say earnings!

        Rickochet If he were put on the clock, he would have 40 seconds to play the shot. He is always painfully slow but 4.1 minutes is ridiculous and unfair to the other players and the fans.

          In situations where a player is taking too much time his playing partners should go ahead and hit their shot. In this case Noren should've signaled to Holmes that he would go ahead and hit his shot. If I was Noren that's what I would've done. Noren ended up hitting a good shot, but having to stand their and wait close to 5 minutes could be a disruption for anyone.

            Easy for me to say, I would have gone for it. I always do and that is why I am not a PGA player, well that and I suck, but that’s part of it!

            If I were Holmes' caddie, I'd have voted for going for it. He's got the length and he wasn't going to win by laying up.

            Sneakylong Noren ended up hitting a good shot,

            He airmailed the green and was lucky it didn't exit the course down the walkway.
            It was likely a result of the extra adrenaline he brewed up getting pissed off having to stand around and watch JB Dumbass the "professional" figure out a simple shot.

              Either way Noren needs to do better, can't blame it on JB as irritating as it is! The other reality is that if they weren't on the clock, nada was gonna happen as it's the last hole. I think he's been chastised now by the media, his peers, and bloggers🙂, if that ain't enough for him to speed it up, then he really is Captain of the DB's!

                If you want to see me post an ugly score just put me out there in a five hour round. I play well when I get in a rhythm. My buddy and I get around in less than four hours without rushing. When my buddy sees a player 240 out waiting for the green to clear with an iron shinning in their hands he goes nuts. If I’m playing an important shot I want to make my decision, step up and hit it. No paralysis by analysis.

                  That was liking watching paint dry,just hit the ball....hell you laid up any way.
                  I thought Noren looked like he was getting a little irritated with what was happening,
                  and it showed when he blasted the ball over the green and down the tunnel....
                  It DID affect him! IMO

                  ode Either way Noren needs to do better

                  Maybe so.
                  However, JB was getting slower and slower after each bogey (3 in a row) and was taking 6 practice swings at one point on a simple lob from beside the green.
                  I would have putted out and John Daly'd him and I am middle of the pack speed wise.

                  I think what you are seeing on social media and mainstream media is a theme.
                  Euro guys chastising (Luke Donald) and Americans saying he wasn't slow (eg. Jimmy Walker)
                  It's a result of two different rules enforcement policies, which is ridiculous, imo.

                      Tinker

                      Better not play behind DC 300 and a few other Buzzers. 240 is a big 5iron , smooth 4i for him.
                      i have to be up in the elevation of Sedona to hit my 4i 240 . Its a 4/5w otherwise

                          I felt Noren should have told him he was going to hit. They play out of turn when a guy is waiting for a ruling, etc.

                          So how long does it normally take to decide which club, check the wind and get read to hit? A minute maybe? So JB took 3 minutes more for a very important shot in adverse conditons. BFD. Everyone is getting all red-assed over 3 f-ing minutes. 😡

                            The only way the tour turns 6 hour rounds (as 3-somes, no less!) into 4-and-a-half hour rounds is to start doling out penalties. I'd love to see some of the notorious slowpokes Day, Furyk, Holmes, etc. have to figure out how to execute their upcoming shot via a 40-second shot clock.

                            Once the buzzer goes off - zoinks! Add another stroke! And if the buzzer goes off in your backswing - tough shit... should've gotten into your routine the second it was your turn to play.

                            And it should sound something similar to an "X" from family feud. And maybe have tasers set to go off once the buzzer sounds on the offending players.

                            I'd actually watch more golf if those options were in play. Wouldn't miss a tournament! LOL...