Par4QC I think we need to quit putting 100% blame(or any) on the USGA.

I don't blame the USGA in any way for the Wilson driver head issue. I blame them for just about everything else.

    Screw both! I'm looking for an F6, now somebody list one for cheap. I should be ready to play by about next September.

    If it were me I would just run with it. Too Hot for the USGA!! They might sell thru better! Run with it I say....but they won't.

      Bangoman If it were me I would just run with it. Too Hot for the USGA!! They might sell thru better! Run with it I say....but they won't.

      Uuuuh, isn't that cheating.....or should I say LYING??

          I see that all this could have been prevented, if a certain party had not been in such a damn hurry......

          "If submitting a mock-up, prototype or first article sample for preliminary review, no payment is necessary."

          But, do they give an opinion?

          LBlack14 is

          How is saying "Too hot for theI USGA" in an ad campaign "lying or cheating"? You're telling the consumer it's illegal by the USGA!

              Spuzz

              Yes Par. But Wilson must have changed the proto or just randomly submitted....big error there.

                Bangoman What are you trying to say Landon?

                I'm not trying to say anything, I'm saying are they too hot or not?? If not, then don't lie about it. Isn't this whole issue about being able to see the sole plate at address or not??

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                  They already stated with the 12 gram insert weights it was over CT in several lofts. That means Too Hot! doesn't it?

                    Bangoman They already stated with the 12 gram insert weights it was over CT in several lofts. That means Too Hot! doesn't it?

                    That's what I'm asking you, LOL! Does that mean too hot or the ball just stays on the face a smidge too long?

                        Par...I have verbally described an idea of mine that I wasn't sure was legal. I have also fax'ed them with a hand drawn pic of an idea. The will respond very quickly and tell you what changes need to be made even with no proto head. The engineers are very accommodating.

                        LBlack14

                        Do I really have to explain CT testing? Way too much typing and my eyes are going South on me.

                            Bangoman Do I really have to explain CT testing? Way too much typing and my eyes are going South on me.

                            Naaah Steve, don't bother. I'm with Uncle Steve on this one. I think the USGA is a joke all the way around. I would like to see this rule book about conforming and non conforming that some here keep talking about and leave no doubt about why the sole plate makes this a non conforming club.

                                Bangoman How is saying "Too hot for theI USGA" in an ad campaign "lying or cheating"? You're telling the consumer it's illegal by the USGA!

                                Already been in use for many times over the years.

                                  LBlack14

                                  Look at the BB 450 Landon. As I understand it from the face angle you are not to see any configurations which may also include other view points...just guessing on that. I told them to explain to me why that makes it illegal.., Plain in shape ruling they said. Now remember that the 450 was already on the market for sometime and was deemed legal by USGA. They tried to reverse that decision,