Super League Predictions

toraider · 2022-02-16T17:35:31+00:00

So, aside from BDC, who's going to the Saudi League? A lot of chatter on this subject recently...

garyt1957

Sneakylong All that, and again I ask you, name one time where it has worked??????

Sneakylong

garyt1957 All that, and again I ask you, name one time where it has worked??????

Not the question to ask imo. Irrelevant. How well any PR or marketing campaign works is relative. They obviously think it's helping their image in the world. That's all that matters. Lot's of gullible people in the world as we know.

Odds are some are falling for it. Not everyone has working BS meter in their brain as we know.

Sneakylong

mikeintopeka

I thought the same thing. He kept chastising the media for asking questions about LIV. None of his answers were definitive imo. His brother is there. Time will tell.

Stu1961

Sneakylong Lot's of gullible people in the world as we know

Then perhaps those gullible people are the Saudi's who think it will work?

garyt1957

Sneakylong Not the question to ask imo. Irrelevant.

We just disagree, it's very relevant. If the saudi's want to waste billions on a campaign that is totally worthless, more power to them. Only the stupidest of the stupid will fall for it, and they probably already are clueless about Saudi misdeeds

johnnydoom

I think Brooks was irritated that the focus seemed to be more on controversy than it was on the U.S. Open. It's the biggest event (though some may say the Masters) in the year for U.S. golf and he thinks the focus should be on the event, players, and venue and not on other things for this week. Can't say I disagree with him. I think most of the Super Bowl players and coaches would probably be irritated if they were all being asked questions about the USFL during media day. But for the media it is about controversy and clicks and not about the event at hand. One could argue, at least for this year, that the new existence of LIV has nothing to do with the U.S. Open.

Stu1961

Or, maybe he's afraid of being called out? Given that Brooks has already cashed in and played in two Saudi Events, 2019 & 2020 Saudi International.

johnnydoom

Stu1961 Could be, but he's never showed signs of being afraid before. He doesn't seem to care about what sort of press he gets as long as he gets press.

Stu1961

Par4QC

The PGA gives 3% of their annual Revenue - but lay claim to far more with their carefully crafted self-promotion.

Good article: Let's Stop Pretending That the PGA is a Charity

PGA's 2019 Form 990

Par4QC

Stu1961 If Streelman was paid over $2M for being player director, 3 yrs. ago, wonder how much JT is worth, and Rory?
Gee, wonder why they are so mouthy about LIV??

Spuzz

Stu1961 The PGA gives 3% of their annual Revenue

Net Proceeds, after they pay themselves 45 million.
:/

Stu1961

johnnydoom fair point ...

JoeHatesSnow

Stu1961 Then perhaps those gullible people are the Saudi's who think it will work?

Or maybe the Saudis, before investing billions of dollars, have done a little research. Perhaps they've deduced that even though there are some holdouts on GolfBuzz that they'll have to get back to later, worldwide they think it's working for them. 🤔

garyt1957

JoeHatesSnow worldwide they think it's working for them.

Operative word is "THINK" it's working for them. Sneaky named Hitler trying to sportswash Nazism in the 30's. How did that work for them? I haven't heard anybody say "You know, those Nazis weren't so bad" any time in my life. How did it work for the Soviet Union or China? And it's not going to work for SA. People are stupid, but they're not THAT stupid.

Stu1961

Sneakylong "Sportwashing has been used to describe events as far back as the 1936 Summer Olympics which were held in Berlin, Germany during Nazi rule and where used to spread Hitler's ideals of race and anti-Semitism

This "sportswashing" is sneaky BS. Germany decided to host the games to sportswash Hitler and the Nazi party's agenda two years before they took power!? Berlin won the right to host the '36 Olympic games in 1931 under Paul von Hindenburg.

Another great example of sportswashing that didn't work though.

garyt1957

Stu1961 Another great example of sportswashing that didn't work though.

Still waiting for someone to give me an example of when it DID work

Par4QC

Sneakylong The money comes thru donations in one form or another.

But not from PGA coffers, therefore, they are not charitable. They do not handle the donated money. It generally stays within the community, as they are the ones that gave.
It's kind of like this President we had one time.....taking all credit, did nothing!😅 (you may pick 'the one time')

johnnydoom

Par4QC Gee, wonder why they are so mouthy about LIV??

Players that choose to stay on the PGA tour do have much to worry about. If viewership and gate tickets are reduced due to split public interest or lowered public interest then the value of sponsorship goes down. Purses and individual contracts would ultimately be downsized accordingly.

Edit to add: Of course they aren't really worried about that. They just have a stronger love of the game than others and are playing for the legacy.

Stu1961

Par4QC I don’t think JT is on the PGA board … ? Rory is for certain though, and earning his millions shilling. Not bad for averaging 1 hour per week work.

Par4QC

johnnydoom Players that choose to stay on the PGA tour do have much to worry about. If viewership and gate tickets are reduced due to split public interest or lowered public interest then the value of sponsorship goes down

Not going to happen, imo, if there is no TV exposure.

Here at the John Deere Classic, we've always been kicked in the teeth with scheduling. We never get 'big' names, except 'has been' big names. Yes, some of today's big names DID play here. They would win (esp. after a sponsor's exemption) then say....F-off Quad Cities! Still, the place is packed every day of the tournament. Yeah, tickets are cheap, food is cheap, but they would still go at double the costs. And just look at the has-beens & no names we get to play here!! The people don't care who it is as long as the tournament goes on.

So, people are not going to stay away from golf tournaments, no matter where held. Esp. now, (supposedly)after Covid.
They don't give a damn about PGA or LIV, they only care about golf, and going and having a good time (see: skipping work)

Spuzz

Walterjn I'm just trying to be a good boy and listen to those who know more about this than I do. I'm not sure who is right, and who is wrong.

Me too.
I am not advocating for either side and I don't see a need to pick one side or another.
I leave that to the sanctimonious.
I am pro-choice, in all aspects of life.
I find the whole thing interesting and it's fun speculating at what the future holds.
It's even more fun when I'm right.
😉

toraider

Spuzz fun speculating at what the future holds.

Any speculation on what happens to the PGA if LIV signs are the up and coming talent and leaves the scrubs for the PGA? What happens to the PGA in the future (read - 10 years down the line)?

Curious what buzzards think about that. The Big names that have chosen to stay with the PGA have retirement $ already. These new players have choices....LIV reportedly signed an amateur with a $6Mil signing bonus and a $250K per tournament appearance fee. So imagine all the new talent getting these types of deals and sign with LIV for their future.

What happens to the PGA then, do their sponsors stick around for a 2nd rate tour?

Sure is fun to speculate what the future holds....Fun times ahead.

johnnydoom

I don't even really care about the LIV tour. I didn't make any attempt to watch it last week. However, I do not think it is an entity of evil either. It is another option. One that I think is likely to fail, but maybe not if enough of the top talent heads for the guaranteed money.

garyt1957

johnnydoom I don't even really care about the LIV tour. I didn't make any attempt to watch it last week. However, I do not think it is an entity of evil either. It is another option. One that I think is likely to fail, but maybe not if enough of the top talent heads for the guaranteed money.

I don't care about it either. I can't imagine ever watching it, but I don't really watch PGA Golf either. I just get a kick out of the faux outrage by the moralists who in my opinion are just jealous that they can't cash in, all while doing business with some even worse regimes.
I'm sure there's a few sincere people like Sneaky who really believe what they spout, but I'm betting 95% would immediately take a job with a Saudi company if it simply doubled their salary

Spuzz

mikeintopeka Maybe he's waiting for a little better payday from the rival?

He just got married and hasn't been 100% health wise, so no need to put his iron in the fire, yet.
I think he joins his brother at some point, as long as he can still play the majors.
Remember, he is a late bloomer and learned his chops on the Euro Tour, so I don't think he's beholding to the PGA Tour whatsoever.

Spuzz

toraider Any speculation on what happens to the PGA if LIV signs are the up and coming talent and leaves the scrubs for the PGA? What happens to the PGA in the future (read - 10 years down the line)?

I did address this earlier.
Compromise by the PGA Tour (adapt or die) There seems to be a lot of disgruntled PGA employees for some reason.
They cannot ignore it and hope it goes away. The horse has left the barn.
Some Spuzzmusings:
Guaranteed money is a good place to start. It might even kick start the so-called "inclusivity" the tour preaches about, but fails to deliver.
Bigger purses on the Korn Ferry Tour might also help and deter some from jumping ship.
These guys travel in groups and stay in motorhomes to keep the dream alive. How many of these guys are tour caliber but bow out due to being broke? I have no idea if this is a big thing or not.
More tour cards given out might help too.

KCee

Spuzz Net Proceeds, after they pay themselves 45 million.
:/

Well you can't be a non-profit if you leave money laying around

Spuzz

KCee Well you can't be a non-profit if you leave money laying around

Makes me laugh every time I hear them thanking the volunteers "because without them, we couldn't have the tournament" when they should be adding "and we can't light hundies for our cigars" or something similar.

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