Subsonic Maybe to you. I think to the rest of us there will always be an * next to those wins.

Haha. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if in his obit they use an asterisk. lol I doubt it though. Same with Wes Simpson and Keegan Bradley.

Opening line in their obit is U.S. Open champion and PGA champion. That’s their professional golf legacy.

No mention of belly putters. Because just as with Bernard it was legal when they won.😉

Subsonic I think to the rest of us there will always be an * next to those wins.

Then, what to do about Sam Snead, the all time win leader ? The PGA even banned him
from a putting style. As long as they comply with 'current' Tour rules, I suppose there
would be no * 🤔

    Subsonic

    Snead was great no question. Too bad he never won a U.S. Open (runner up 4 times). And he and Tiger are tied with most wins with 82. Although some of Sam’s wins would be considered ticky tack wins against inferior fields. Still 82 wins is 82 wins.

    Story Harvey Penick tells in his book is when he was on the range and heard the sound of Snead’s ball coming off the face he decided then to be a club pro. Lol

      Sneakylong Sam’s wins would be considered ticky tack wins against inferior fields.

      I wouldn't want to play against Hogan, Nelson, etc.... Some of Snead's records are untouchable.
      And, it is very hard to compare different eras.

        Since LIV tour is changing things up, maybe they could have some different formats:

        1) A Limited Bag Challenge. Driver, Long Club, Medium club, Short club, Wedge, Putter.
        2) Better Ball
        3) Scramble
        4) Alternate shot
        5) Maybe something with Golf Games like Wolf etc...

        Something other than the same people making the same shots week in and week out. Maybe you could have man and Woman Teams or throw Seniors into the Mix. 🤷

          Subsonic Alternate shot

          Alternate shoe like Scott Piercy did yesterday.

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          No question, but ‘some’ of his wins did come from for lack of a better term obscure tournaments back then. Where the competitors were far from the top level of that time.

          Key word there is some. And it takes nothing away from his accomplishments. Just like Byron Nelson’s 1945 record of winning 18 out of the 30 tournaments he played in. Including 11 in a row.

          But it being in the WWII era the competition certainly wasn’t the same.

          Subsonic

          It is. But many of the top athletes of past eras most likely could compete very well today. It’s impossible to prove, so purely speculation.

          Hard to imagine a Babe Ruth or Ted Williams wouldn’t be just as good competing today. Same with golf. Hard to believe a Snead, Hogan and Nelson (all born in the same year 1912) wouldn’t be able to compete at the highest levels today.

            Subsonic

            Again true. But just looking at a Ted Williams and his numbers and considering he missed ~ 5 years of his prime because of WWII and the Korean War and with his eyesight he said he could see the stitching on the baseball on a pitch. Lol. That he wouldn’t be great in any era.

            But that’s what makes sports a great topic of debate. Btw Ted Williams was the real life character that John Wayne played in many of his movies.😉


              Subsonic

              I doubt you’ll see much of that. Although you never know. Lol. Norman has said they’ll change things up next year. I think you’ll see them doing whatever it takes to get world ranking points.

              So less of a clown show and more traditional is what I would expect. I also read where he said they’re pretty much all set member wise for this year.

              Although I would expect if a big name wanted to jump to LIV he’d take them regardless of not having more room for players. Lol

                Sneakylong Although I would expect if a big name wanted to jump to LIV he’d take them regardless of not having more room for players. Lol

                We still have a chance then? 🤣