Not so sure the 54 hole is an issue other than the number of points to be awarded (several develomental tours are 54 holes and the get points, pga tournaments that are reduced to 54 holes still get the full point allotment).

The issue maybe the number of players teeing it up, less than 75.

Interesting the LIV has gone in partnership with the Asian Tour (read that to be a boat load of money donated) and they are sponsoring the LIV.

Not sure Chamblee is a good source, after all he was saying the LIV tournament winnings was deducted from the signing bonuses/contracts. But as I understand the contracts are across a number of years, Phil 200m across 4 years. Possible there is a clause that allows them to play less and get less or the structure can be based on performance, appearance, etc. Haven't heard anyone address the contracts that have actually saw them

    Eguller Many times it does. But, look at the qualifying criteria for the US Open for example. Full criteria is llsted
    on the USGA website. It is more limited than most think. Monikers can be misleading.

    Sure, but those rules are already in place. You're talking about new rules specifically to hurt LIV golfers and that's just plain wrong. For all the morals being thrown around here, I don't see how that's not obvious. Again, they're not doing anything illegal.
    And I'm not a LIV fan. I can't imagine ever watching a tournament. I really only watch the Majors and then usually just the last round. I'd prefer LIV didn't exist, but now that it does I don't see trying to keep them out of majors as fair or moral.

      ode it will mostly be a mute point moving forward

      Probably so, but let time take care of that , don't try to just ban them. Even if they had to qualify like you or I. I'm pretty sure DJ and Reed, etc would handle that quite easily.

      • ode replied to this.

          Sneakylong Brandel Chamblee made a good point yesterday. In other sports the player is paid before he plays. In his example Tom Brady gets paid millions of dollars and if he doesn’t perform for the team he gets benched.

          Actually it's not that great a point. Brady might get benched but he still gets paid his monstrous contract. Lots of guys in pro sports underperform but keep starting because of their massive contracts. The Liv guys won't get benched but if they underperform, who's to say they will get resigned? We don't know how long DJ and these other guys signed for. Was it lifetime? 5 years? 10?

              Sneakylong Brandel Chamblee made a good point yesterday. In other sports the player is paid before he plays. In his example Tom Brady gets paid millions of dollars and if he doesn’t perform for the team he gets benched.

              bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

              Yet another apples to oranges comparison AND you quoted Chambleep.
              LOL

                  Martee The issue maybe the number of players teeing it up, less than 75.

                  Do they give out Points for Tiger's mini-field , no cut event?
                  Yes they do.

                      garyt1957

                      I could see Reed going through with qualifying if it ever came to it, but not DJ. Agreed re the "Opens", if they've qualified they should get in.
                      I think the R&A a d USGA will have a harder time doing it (ban). Not sure about the PGA . The Masters...it will be interesting to see what they do!

                        garyt1957 I don't know if you've watched any of the events the LIV players have been in (non LIV events)...but my small sample size wise that there seems to be very little showing of LIV players, but maybe I'm reading into it 🤔. With there being so much coverage of The Open, it should be clear if that's the case!

                            Spuzz
                            The next "good point" Brandel makes will be his first. He's golf's equivalent of tennis' Chis Evert ... he acts like he thinks we all should like hearing his voice as much as he does.

                              ode I don't know if you've watched any of the events the LIV players have been in (non LIV events)...but my small sample size wise that there seems to be very little showing of LIV players, but maybe I'm reading into it 🤔. With there being so much coverage of The Open, it should be clear if that's the case!

                              Well, other than Dj and Reed how many really top notch players did the LIV get? None of them were at the top of their game before jumping. Plus I'm sure all the controversy is distracting. I could be wrong but most of these guys are pretty competitive I doubt they'll just quit trying. But there's plenty of guys in other sports who signed big multi year deals and just cruised through those years

                                  garyt1957 I doubt they'll just quit trying

                                  Like every other main sport, the stars don't always get paid for how they are performing at present.
                                  Most of them get paid for what they have done in the past and are "worth" now. Some get paid on potential right off, but those cases are not frequent.
                                  LIV is the answer to that equation, for them. If they are pros, they will continue to put in their best efforts to perform.
                                  It's up to the GM's to figure out which ones will start coasting, or are coasting, and cut them. Since we don't know what exactly the LIV contracts entail, it's all speculation and most of it drummed up by PGA shills to demonize the LIV players.
                                  Tiger's presser was no different than all the rest. Just baseless and clueless speculation for the sole purpose of trying to put down the competition and keep the monopoly going.

                                  The Tour guarantees nothing, other than if you qualify and PAY the entry fees, you get a spot and two rounds to try and qualify for two more rounds and a paycheque. They actually do not guarantee the competition in those events.
                                  (Special events excluded of course, where the peons are told to stay home)
                                  Derogatory statements aimed at guys who have sacrificed and built the Tours up over 20 years, who now want to get (over) paid for their services reek of jealousy, bitterness, underappreciation and thanklessness (among others) of those that came before them.

                                    ode With there being so much coverage of The Open, it should be clear if that's the case!

                                    Quick look shows lots of LIV names starting out first thing, so will be done before anybody is out of bed tomorrow.
                                    lol
                                    Only DJ is in prime time.

                                        Spuzz he was the only LIV player I remember seeing at that charity event in Scotland......I think they showed him putting, once.

                                          Spuzz

                                          Yup, but thats Tiger's just like the WGC no cut limited fields.

                                          Im sure the coversation this week will be interesting, not that we will hear much of it.

                                            Check R & A's Slumbers presser if you'd like to hear this issue from the source. Bright guy.

                                            darpar So what happens with LIV when the Saudi's finally come to their
                                            senses and figure their RoR doesn't exist?
                                            I give this charade 2 years max!

                                            Wouldn't be surprised. I don't think it stand on it's own merits and actually be profitable. Well, especially with what they're paying guys now, obviously.

                                                garyt1957 I don't think it stand on it's own merits and actually be profitable.

                                                Agree. And if you define 'profitable' other than money, definitely not.

                                                    Eguller Should have started with luring players away from the WNBA, instead of PGA?
                                                    IOW, started something different, not golf. Not men's golf, anyway.