sdandrea1 It would be easier if you could point out rules that read in simple English, are consistently called and enforced from event to event, and convince me that the Wilson ruling wasn't a political show of power.

Exactly!!

Somebody seems to be "Beatin' 'round the bush!"

Par4QC it's called making a market for the forum discussions.

sdandrea1
And you're entitled to your own opinion.
Not that I entirely don't agree with you.
For what they pay the positions. Should be better candidates sitting in those chairs.

    Some called the New Coke a fiasco. Others say it reinforced the old Coke as the best and resulted in new sales records. When handed lemons, make lemonade.

    If I was a board member of Amer Sports (publicly traded parent of Wilson), I'd be chomping at the bit to find out what in the hell were they thinking with the whole campaign.

    From my sofa, this looks like a soiled diaper that needs attention asap. And I'm a Wilson golf fan having played several models of Staff irons over the years - including those currently in my bag.

    Release

    The USGA wreaks of the IRS to me. The intent of both agencies is honorable and necessary. Both agencies probably have good people working hard at a difficult task. Both agencies are trying to enforce rules/laws that have compounded, over the decades, to accommodate so many situations, it has become a ponderous task. I might come off as saying they suck at it. I guess what I really mean is they have made it too hard to do well.

      I think we need to quit putting 100% blame(or any) on the USGA. They did not make this head, and the rules were all in place, and written in very plain English for all to read prior to submission. Any questions before submitting should have been asked! Even a hack would have noticed that soleplate being different from 1 loft to the others.

      We've seen the way TGC can screw up a simple golf forum, why do we think they'd be able to handle manufacturing/marketing of a golf club.....esp. a driver. I, for one, will not hold Wilson responsible for this fiasco. I'm thinking TGC went in search of a club company in order to make a 'reality' show, like all other channels have. They just caught a hungry stray dog, at the right time.

      Not surprised at the outcome given who some of the judges were. But what I am baffled by is how this got past Frank Thomas! I would have expected him to check every minor detail personally, even if it was just in a judge's capacity. Obviously, they did not have all models/lofts available to check.

        sdandrea1

        Any changes to existing momentum is difficult.
        Decades of built up won't be removed over night.
        But all source of issues starts from the top.
        Leadership is what matters.
        Did you see report of Columbia in the 60 Minutes program from last night ?

          Release

          Yes, it was fascinating. Hiring an ad campaign guy to run psyop on the guerrillas was genius.

          I think the IRS is a prime candidate for house cleaning and simplification, but the bureaucracy, momentum and politics will probably prevent any real change in my lifetime. Could be the same for the USGA.

            It's arbitrary....I wish someone would sue these fukks and put them out of business....I think the only way these guys go away is when the PGA, LPGA, etc. Separate themselves from the usga. I don't give a flying fukk about Wilson triton or any other oem, it's the goddam principal of the thing. If they can pull this shit with Wilson, watcha thin happens with Maltby or Hireko?

            That being said they should have submitted it, but I do underatand why they didn't considering how it all went down.

            And can someone explain how having a little extra weight , ie the 12g screw would impact CT/cor vs. the 2 or 6g screw in? If that's the case anyone could put extra lead tape on the same driver and impact COR...no? So is it really about COR/CT or COR/CT at the time of testing? How do these fukks pick which head gets tested, they come to Wilson and pick one or Wilson sends one?

              ode

              If you knowingly doctor a head to possibly break a rule real or imagined is considered CHEATING! The key words here: knowingly changing to gain an edge.

              And the company submits all lofts at $150.00 per head. Adding weigh to delay or increase head rotation is legal as well to increase swing weight but adding weight to beat a rule is cheating.

                Par4QC I think we need to quit putting 100% blame(or any) on the USGA.

                I don't blame the USGA in any way for the Wilson driver head issue. I blame them for just about everything else.

                Screw both! I'm looking for an F6, now somebody list one for cheap. I should be ready to play by about next September.

                If it were me I would just run with it. Too Hot for the USGA!! They might sell thru better! Run with it I say....but they won't.

                  Bangoman If it were me I would just run with it. Too Hot for the USGA!! They might sell thru better! Run with it I say....but they won't.

                  Uuuuh, isn't that cheating.....or should I say LYING??

                    I see that all this could have been prevented, if a certain party had not been in such a damn hurry......

                    "If submitting a mock-up, prototype or first article sample for preliminary review, no payment is necessary."

                    But, do they give an opinion?

                    LBlack14 is

                    How is saying "Too hot for theI USGA" in an ad campaign "lying or cheating"? You're telling the consumer it's illegal by the USGA!

                      Spuzz

                      Yes Par. But Wilson must have changed the proto or just randomly submitted....big error there.