Par4QC here is no gain for slower swingers. Fact. My Rogues go no farther than my Infiniti's that are 2-4 * weaker. No matter the shafts I've had in either. No matter the length I built them to. They are just prettier. It's all I care about.
Then why do you keep buying new irons you silly bastard??
I’m thinking I’ll end up keeping my Nikes because they will hold their value. My Ping ie1 irons I might put in Nicks bag. Then take Nicks eye2 irons, my Becu eye 2 irons and a few odds and ends to marketplace or trade in. I would not mind once I have a real job again getting fitted for a set of TM p790 irons. Thing is, I wouldn’t use too many of them if I hit them Mavrik distances!
Hi-COR irons, high tech yadda yadda irons are designed for those over 75 mph mid-iron. It's why single length hasn't caught on with the senior lessor club head speed crowd IMO. Our mid-iron club head speed isn't designed for 4 deg. loft gaps it's more 5 deg to 6 deg.
mid iron speed over 72 mph – 4* increments (average player)
mid iron speed 60-72 – 5* increments (some seniors and some ladies)
mid iron speed under 60mph – 6* increments (seniors and ladies)
That explains why I like 4* gaps.
I can see a gain for center face contacts, but there is still a cut off point (loft) re: usefulness/getting enough height. All else being equal one would be less accurate with a 33 * 9i then a 42 * 9i.
You guys can get as technical as you want but a 33° 9i is fucking horseshit.
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Clubs today are sold by hitting balls of flat mats indoors with a machine calculating distance. It’s no secret that lower lofts create more ball speed. How does that iron work on an uphill, side hill lie in bare or fussy turf with a breeze? The original design of a set of irons giving a variety of lofts from 22 to 50 degrees at graduated lengths still offer the most useable arsenal in your bag. It was never easy learning to hit the longer clubs. Straight shots of a flat Matt indoors is the easiest shot in golf. When I play alone I practice all the shot. I drop a ball under some trees and practice knock down cuts or solid punch outs, I practice fades and draws. I hit plastic balls in my yard most every day hitting 3 and 4 irons. At 66 I don’t have the speed I once had, I need to hit a 4 iron at times from 160 and feel confident of getting on the green. There’s no substitute for greens in regulation to shoot a good score.
DonM My buddy got fitted for T300 irons late last year. I don't think the fitting was all that good for him as he's hitting the ball lower and shorter IMO. He used to play some high launching wide soled irons that I think worked better for him. We would hit similar clubs back then, but now he's at least a club shorter and my Apex Pro 16 irons have got to be a couple degrees weaker.
KCee
I thought it would be more than a couple of degrees but you got it right. Yours are 2 degrees weaker than his.
I saw this all the time at the senior level in AZ last winter. These guys need HEIGHT!!!! They need traditional lofts and lengths, with the hot technology.
If a guy can play hybrids well, like @sdandrea1 Steve, that is probably a lot better. Now that I think of it, I didn't see very many guys out there who seemed to play hybrids well. Nor here at home.
DonM I compare these to my Adams hybrids. I have a 28 degree 6 hybrid, 38.5". It really doesn't go any farther than a 28 degree iron, just higher.
I have the same club, or at least something similar to it (Adams Idea Tech V3 with Mitsubishi Bassara shaft, Senior flex), and it has been a helluva club for me! It used to be my 150 club; now it's my 140, but it is MUCH easier for me to hit than a six iron, gets great trajectory, and I hit a lot of greens with it! I liked it so much that I found the matching 5 hybrid on Ebay and that too is very reliable!!
