sdandrea1 both. It just depends on where YOU stand. I want law and order back in this country. I also want smaller government.
Those who want larger government and less law and order think I'm crazy, while I think they are crazy.
It's all perspective....

    I agree with smaller government and stronger law and order. Trouble is I have not seen much of either in my 68 yrs on mother Earth.
    I hear a lot of bullshit talk about them both.

    backinit Once again the liberal crowd comes in and shits all over a thread promoting far left politics.

    What the fuck are you talking about?! That sentence doesn't even make any damn sense; 'liberal crowd comes in and promotes far left politics"? Example? Clarify what "far left politics"?

    Walterjn Those who want larger government and less law and order think I'm crazy, while I think they are crazy.

    Seems contradictory to me. So you want more law enforcement, more prisons (I'll assume penitentiaries and jails too) and simultaneously less government? That's odd.

      Walterjn Those who want larger government and less law and order think I'm crazy, while I think they are crazy.
      It's all perspective....

      We're all a little crazy.....😉

      backinit Not going to happen. The undocumented criminals attacking the cops in NYC is a prime example of what they want. Decriminalize crime...come on in.

      No one brought political to this thread but you.
      And, it's obvious you have no knowledge nor understanding of the problem at our border and who's trying to escape certain death as refugees. But you wouldn't grasp the difference. And you more than likely wouldn't pass the exam to gain citizenship. Just make sure anyone doing work at your house is paying their laborers a fair and taxed wage. If you get a price break for paying cash, you're only about you. Hope you went to church today!

        professor Don't bother communicating with me. Go watch CNN or something and take the bullshit to the water cooler.

          backinit Once again the liberal crowd comes in and shits all over a thread promoting far left politics

          The issue of a modern civilized society that normalizes mass shootings and gun violence actually should be apolitical. Again, it should be a public health / safety issue.

          If wanting a society with less mass shootings / gun violence is considered far left, then count me in. Meanwhile the thoughts and prayers solution seems to be doing absolutely nothing.

          Having a mass shooting at a Super Bowl parade should be a shocking abhorrent event. But in these times it’s just another ho hum statistic. Next!!!

            backinit Don't bother communicating with me.

            So, in other words you have no response because you're the one who politicized the thread. Sorry you don't have the ability to stand by your comment and substantiate it. Awesome!

            propman well said. Don't mess with the Wild West

            We seem to have regressed worse than the Wild West. We pay a very high price in lives to carry on with the gun culture we have.

            “Contrary to the mythology, many frontier towns had strict gun laws, especially against carrying concealed weapons. As UCLA constitutional law professor Adam Winkler puts it, “Guns were widespread on the frontier, but so was gun regulation.”

              Sneakylong I didn't realize that more strict regulations existed back in the day.
              That, imo, shows how we have regressed. And to anyone that might be interested I ain't a liberal.

              professor maybe not more law. I believe that the country needs to get back to following the constitution, more enforcement of already on the books that do not conflict with the constitution. Less writing new laws that do nothing except make politicians feel better. And less government. Less irs, less dept of education (that in itself is a joke, since that monstrosity was created this country has fallen in quality of education), get rid of the FED, and a bunch of other useless agencies.

                Walterjn

                Many have an inate hostility toward a strong national government. Some of our ancestors came here fleeing oppressive national regimes. Those experiences conditioned being suspicious of big government.

                But many came to the United States with high hopes for a better life, which they eventually received from the United States government with the coming of the New Deal that produced the GI Bill, Social Security and eventually Medicare.

                So many say they hate big government until they need it. People tend to like clean drinking water, safe food to eat and many of the things that we take for granted in everyday life. This countries big government helped rebuild Europe after WWII as well.

                People have a disconnect when it comes to big government. People love big government programs. They hate socialism, but love the socialist programs like Social Security, Medicare and related programs.

                So when people say they hate big government I laugh. Most people want a strong military along with the so called entitlement programs. And guess what? That’s where most of the money goes to fund those things.

                So complaining or cutting other parts of big government is really just nibbling around the edges. May make you feel better, but don’t amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things.

                colej I can just imagine the marxist/socialist/communist intellect. Hopefully, there are talking about how many undocumented immigrants that they have taken in to help with the vote count in 2024.

                  backinit Hopefully, there are talking about how many undocumented immigrants that they have taken in to help with the vote count in 2024

                  Another ignorant, but funny comment. Lol Also, how come we don’t hear people complaining about illegal immigration coming thru the skies?

                  A significant percentage ( ~ 40%) of illegal immigrants come here legally on an airplane and then overstay their Visa’s. In other words they don’t leave.

                  Oh, like the illegal immigrants coming over the border, they can’t vote either. 😉 Myths sound good, but are still bullshit.
                  Start a thread on it in The Water Hazard. Maybe we can debunk more of these myths.

                    backinit I can just imagine the marxist/socialist/communist intellect.

                    Have you ever read a book about Marxism, instead of "imagining"?