johnnydoom we would know if they had any possible white nationalist connections or if anyone in their circle ever said anything in support of a member of a certain political party.

Yeah... I don't know anything about that, nor why you might be speculating such. Have there been intimations of such? Very little detail's been shared just yet. But that's okay. Law enforcement along with the DA's office needs to build their case. Hopefully it's going to be rock solid. All I've read or heard is there was an argument but, nothing more. Who was trying to shoot whom and for what reason?
The guns aren't going to go away. The least we could do is eliminate large magazines and absolutely do background checks. Yeah, I know there's a huge black market. But Geez! Can we do something? Anything?

      bigshank We seem to have more of an abundance of evil assholes in the world than ever before

      Agreed I think we've seen a sharp rise in conjunction with many failures in American society. I don't really answers nor solutions to that. I've got some but, it's really complex. At the most basic level it's Parents! (I get kind of torqued about those who blame teachers and schools. Our schools have been failing the kids if one just looks at academic data - grades, test scores etc... But I'd suggest that it's many parents who fail both their kids and schools. Good parents support those educators to whom they entrust the care of their kids. But FFS, parents shouldn't expect schools and teachers to raise their kids. Parents would be wise to partner with their children's teachers.)

        Par4QC Well, what a terrible thing to say about someone's daughter!

        Nah, that's some good humor there!

          rsvman2 I think you seriously underestimate Andy Reid. Give him two weeks to prepare and he will come up with a gold game plan. And at the half he made the right adjustments.

          Ever seen Andy Reid's team's record in their games following their bye week? Pretty outstanding.

            professor how about stop letting criminals plea down to lesser charges in exchange for information about someone else... you get caught as a felon in possession of a firearm, you get the book thrown at you...
            How about we stop making jails places the criminals don't mind going to. How about we make them more like work camps where they do some hard work, or pick up trash, and make them miserable while they are incarcerated...
            Why should their victims be the ones to suffer? Make the punishment fit the crime again... then again, I'm for public execution, and chain gangs....

                Once again the liberal crowd comes in and shits all over a thread promoting far left politics. Good thing it wasn't anyone from the right saying anything as 1/2 would be saying , " oh, no politics". I'm not going to comment on anything further, but it would be nice for you crackpots to leave politics out like the rest of us are trying to do.

                  Walterjn Not going to happen. The undocumented criminals attacking the cops in NYC is a prime example of what they want. Decriminalize crime...come on in.

                      sdandrea1 both. It just depends on where YOU stand. I want law and order back in this country. I also want smaller government.
                      Those who want larger government and less law and order think I'm crazy, while I think they are crazy.
                      It's all perspective....

                          I agree with smaller government and stronger law and order. Trouble is I have not seen much of either in my 68 yrs on mother Earth.
                          I hear a lot of bullshit talk about them both.

                          backinit Once again the liberal crowd comes in and shits all over a thread promoting far left politics.

                          What the fuck are you talking about?! That sentence doesn't even make any damn sense; 'liberal crowd comes in and promotes far left politics"? Example? Clarify what "far left politics"?

                            Walterjn Those who want larger government and less law and order think I'm crazy, while I think they are crazy.

                            Seems contradictory to me. So you want more law enforcement, more prisons (I'll assume penitentiaries and jails too) and simultaneously less government? That's odd.

                                Walterjn Those who want larger government and less law and order think I'm crazy, while I think they are crazy.
                                It's all perspective....

                                We're all a little crazy.....😉

                                  backinit Not going to happen. The undocumented criminals attacking the cops in NYC is a prime example of what they want. Decriminalize crime...come on in.

                                  No one brought political to this thread but you.
                                  And, it's obvious you have no knowledge nor understanding of the problem at our border and who's trying to escape certain death as refugees. But you wouldn't grasp the difference. And you more than likely wouldn't pass the exam to gain citizenship. Just make sure anyone doing work at your house is paying their laborers a fair and taxed wage. If you get a price break for paying cash, you're only about you. Hope you went to church today!