Hitting the Driver

Par4QC · 2023-03-25T18:33:38+00:00

Why do people hit with a negative AoA? And how is that negative AoA even achieved?

Par4QC

garyt1957 Make up your mind......weren't you the one that posted a chart of "averages"? Or do you have the actual facts? No, you do not.

And when the discussion has turned to "averages", don't you assume everyone is talking the same?
No, not you. You only want to be right. And you are wrong. As usual.

Do I need to start calling you "UD78 II"?? 😡

garyt1957

Par4QC nothing in that post made a lick of sense, could you please repost it in English?

garyt1957

Par4QC what averages? I showed Koepka hit down on driver, that's not an average. You saw Rory is hitting a short driver, that's not an average. I listed other guys hitting down or shorter drivers, those aren't averages.
You said pros don't hit down, if they AVERAGE 1* down obviously some hit down.
Say it with me, you can do it, c'mon, one word at a time... I WAS WRONG.
That wasn't so hard was it?

garyt1957

Cam Smith uses a 44.5" driver...oops

garyt1957

Richie Fowler uses a 43.5" driver.... double oops

Walterjn

Children, please. Let's get back to the golf.

garyt1957

Walterjn. It's a challenge now, if I can get Rex to admit he's wrong, I can pretty much do anything. Watching him tie him self up like a pretzel trying to avoid it is hilarious.

Typhoon

garyt1957 Par4QC what averages? I showed Koepka hit down on driver, that's not an average. You saw Rory is hitting a short driver, that's not an average. I listed other guys hitting down or shorter drivers, those aren't averages.
You said pros don't hit down, if they AVERAGE 1* down obviously some hit down.
Say it with me, you can do it, c'mon, one word at a time... I WAS WRONG.
That wasn't so hard was it?

Yup, don’t kill Rex! there are some guys that play shortened drivers, butt 44.5 isn’t really short…43.5 is. The stuff I have to learn, a lot of them hit down or level… also nobody mentioned they tee the ball down low for this and they don’t play very far up in their stance. Too much spin is just as bad as too little spin. Another thing, these guys loft clubs up and down for face angle and spin so if DJ uses a 10.5 head, he’s not playing that loft on the course. A lot of Rory’s FW,s are lofted down 2 degrees etc…

sdandrea1

garyt1957

He said he'd die on this hill. Be careful, he might take casualties. 🤣😂🤣

garyt1957

sdandrea1 aw hell, I love Rex, but he doesn't post, he makes decrees, lol

UnholyDefenestrator78

sdandrea1

rsvman2

My answer to the original thread question is 'I have no idea.'

Because for a player with average swing speed, I have no doubt that the majority would hit driver farther if they hit slightly up.

It is easier said than done, for sure. What has worked fairly consistently for me, at least in terms of hitting longer drives, is addressing the ball with the clubhead about 6 inches behind the ball. That seems to make my brain at least attempt to bottom out the swing a few inches behind the ball.

If you are having trouble with driver, give this a try.

Luc_Van_Daele

braveheart Hmm, should we all be cutting length off of are drivers or it’s just cause he’s Rory Mcilroy?

It's the other way around, Rory shortened his driver after I did and gained 10-15 yards with it.

rsvman2 I have no doubt that the majority would hit driver farther if they hit slightly up.

Or get a driver with a loft that suits your swing. Another thing I told Rory and my many followers: higher loft often results in more distance.

UnholyDefenestrator78

for a professional of extreme skill, such that we're talking micrometers to maybe one millimeter,
wouldn't a very slightly off-center hit on the vertical CoG cause the same type of amplified gear effect {as we see with lateral face bulge) due to the vertical face roll of the driver? In particular at super high swing speeds seems like it would be beneficial to hit very slightly above CG to get a higher dynamic launch angle with lower spin. Something like a 0.01 decrease in smash factor being less important than getting the perfect* (ly repeatable) launch condition in a swing they feel like they are able to control?

rsvman2

UnholyDefenestrator78 Bingo.

Typhoon

Luc_Van_Daele braveheart Hmm, should we all be cutting length off of are drivers or it’s just cause he’s Rory Mcilroy?

It's the other way around, Rory shortened his driver after I did and gained 10-15 yards with it.

It’s also a different driver shaft altogether.

Rickochet

Luc_Van_Daele higher loft often results in more distance.

One of our old FGI buds, Dyno, used to say, "Mo loft, mo poon."

scotts33

Typhoon oo much spin is just as bad as too little spin.

It depends on your club head and ball speed. When you drop below 90 more spin can help more than hurt. Ladies and seniors can be helped by loft and a modicum of spin to keep ball in air as long as it's not sideways.

There is no one way fits all.

garyt1957

Typhoon. Anything shorter than standard is short. Much like hitting up/down the pros can get away with things we can't because they have speed to burn

garyt1957

Typhoon as of 2020 dj is using an 11* driver not turned down

Typhoon

scotts33 There is no one way fits all.

That’s what I was saying

johnnydoom

For me, all other things equal, hitting up and longer shaft both equal longer drives. I have found that I get more carry with a ball (Kirkland Signature) that is considered high spin. No difference in overall distance, but more carry. Swing speed with driver is somewhere around 90 most days. I don't hit up much as I'm not willing to deal with other changes I would need to make to become consistent with a very forward ball position. But even a little up makes a notable difference for me.

garyt1957

There is no doubt that hitting up is the path to the most distance. Trackman proves that. The question is at what cost? Some can do it easily and some can't. The key is the honey spot of distance and control. Yours is likely different from mine.

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