Par4QC. You keep changing your story. You emphatically stated pros don't use short drivers, Rory is a pro, you're wrong. You say they don't hit down, I showed you some do, you're wrong AGAIN!, lol. I bet I can find some using high loft drivers, I know DJ uses 10.5. You're likely 0-3 but you'll never admit it because,say it with me..." Rex is never wrong!"

      garyt1957 Make up your mind......weren't you the one that posted a chart of "averages"? Or do you have the actual facts? No, you do not.

      And when the discussion has turned to "averages", don't you assume everyone is talking the same?
      No, not you. You only want to be right. And you are wrong. As usual.

      Do I need to start calling you "UD78 II"?? 😡

          Par4QC nothing in that post made a lick of sense, could you please repost it in English?

            Richie Fowler uses a 43.5" driver.... double oops

            Par4QC what averages? I showed Koepka hit down on driver, that's not an average. You saw Rory is hitting a short driver, that's not an average. I listed other guys hitting down or shorter drivers, those aren't averages.
            You said pros don't hit down, if they AVERAGE 1* down obviously some hit down.
            Say it with me, you can do it, c'mon, one word at a time... I WAS WRONG.
            That wasn't so hard was it?

                Walterjn. It's a challenge now, if I can get Rex to admit he's wrong, I can pretty much do anything. Watching him tie him self up like a pretzel trying to avoid it is hilarious.

                    My answer to the original thread question is 'I have no idea.'

                    Because for a player with average swing speed, I have no doubt that the majority would hit driver farther if they hit slightly up.

                    It is easier said than done, for sure. What has worked fairly consistently for me, at least in terms of hitting longer drives, is addressing the ball with the clubhead about 6 inches behind the ball. That seems to make my brain at least attempt to bottom out the swing a few inches behind the ball.

                    If you are having trouble with driver, give this a try.

                      for a professional of extreme skill, such that we're talking micrometers to maybe one millimeter,
                      wouldn't a very slightly off-center hit on the vertical CoG cause the same type of amplified gear effect {as we see with lateral face bulge) due to the vertical face roll of the driver? In particular at super high swing speeds seems like it would be beneficial to hit very slightly above CG to get a higher dynamic launch angle with lower spin. Something like a 0.01 decrease in smash factor being less important than getting the perfect* (ly repeatable) launch condition in a swing they feel like they are able to control?

                        braveheart Hmm, should we all be cutting length off of are drivers or it’s just cause he’s Rory Mcilroy?

                        It's the other way around, Rory shortened his driver after I did and gained 10-15 yards with it.

                        rsvman2 I have no doubt that the majority would hit driver farther if they hit slightly up.

                        Or get a driver with a loft that suits your swing. Another thing I told Rory and my many followers: higher loft often results in more distance.

                              Luc_Van_Daele braveheart Hmm, should we all be cutting length off of are drivers or it’s just cause he’s Rory Mcilroy?

                              It's the other way around, Rory shortened his driver after I did and gained 10-15 yards with it.

                              It’s also a different driver shaft altogether.

                                garyt1957 Par4QC what averages? I showed Koepka hit down on driver, that's not an average. You saw Rory is hitting a short driver, that's not an average. I listed other guys hitting down or shorter drivers, those aren't averages.
                                You said pros don't hit down, if they AVERAGE 1* down obviously some hit down.
                                Say it with me, you can do it, c'mon, one word at a time... I WAS WRONG.
                                That wasn't so hard was it?

                                Yup, don’t kill Rex! there are some guys that play shortened drivers, butt 44.5 isn’t really short…43.5 is. The stuff I have to learn, a lot of them hit down or level… also nobody mentioned they tee the ball down low for this and they don’t play very far up in their stance. Too much spin is just as bad as too little spin. Another thing, these guys loft clubs up and down for face angle and spin so if DJ uses a 10.5 head, he’s not playing that loft on the course. A lot of Rory’s FW,s are lofted down 2 degrees etc…