scotts33 . If you start consciously working on swaying that is a body focused swing which is not a centered club focused
Yep, agree. I'm only focusing on the hands& arms over right shoulder back thru target line to left shoulder. The result is no swaying. I did notice that my biceps and triceps are more involved. I can actually feel it. Club is on a better path too. Works with the driver too!
sdandrea1 Yep, agree. I'm only focusing on the hands& arms over right shoulder back thru target line to left shoulder. The result is no swaying. I did notice that my biceps and triceps are more involved. I can actually feel it. Club is on a better path too. Works with the driver too!
ALL good! What happens unconsciously is that your arms will become closer together like the drill that holds a ball between your arms so they don't get separated. Your golf swing will be more one piece and together.
Sounds like you are getting it! 
sdandrea1 It seems natural/simple. Kinda reminds me of Annika Sorenstam.
Annika Sorenstam took lessons from Bill Owens as a youngster. Annika and Charlotta were great young tennis players and had to choose golf over tennis. Racquet sports and club focused golf swings much the same.
See the correlation between all of the club focused swings?
Set up and address.
scotts33 Racquet sports and club focused golf swings much the same
Good comparison Scott.....I'll have to remember that when I try to help my 17 year
old grandson. He just took up golf in the last year or two and tends to hang back on his rear foot. He's a
good tennis player (plays 1st or 2nd singles on his HS team), but hasn't learned to get the weight back over
to his front foot on the golf course yet.....
fatshot Good comparison Scott.....I'll have to remember that when I try to help my 17 year
old grandson. He just took up golf in the last year or two and tends to hang back on his rear foot. He's a
good tennis player (plays 1st or 2nd singles on his HS team), but hasn't learned to get the weight back over
to his front foot on the golf course yet.....
Here ya go fatshot. Some tennis racquet comparisons. Any racquet will do.
18 holes today with commitment to MDLT no matter what happens. Shot 77 with 12 GIRs. 12 is HIGH for me. I had way too many putts today but had 2 birdies from well-struck approach shots. This concept is an epiphany game-changing thing for me. I'm using stock steel in the IsI Nickel irons (7, 8, 9, W, S2, S3). Graphite in everything else, but I'm NOT experiencing the "anvil" feeling I used to get with heavy steel shafts. Gotta be the path I'm in. I don't think I'll be considering going to mid irons because my Cally hybrids are excellent for those shots. I didn't even use practice swings today.....just aligned the club face to the target, centered set up, swing the arms/club over the right shoulder, down the target line, over the left shoulder. Confidence is soaring right now. I realize there will be backups, hiccups, and fuckups, but this swing is so simple, it's easy to restudy, re-read, re-watch etc., and get back in synch (I hope). Team got 4th today, but it wasn't my fault!
sdandrea1 This concept is an epiphany game-changing thing for me.
Happy to hear this Steve. Its a swing "feel" thing that Manuel can instill is what I have found for the majority and the centered swing makes sense to find the swing bottom consistency that so many can not find no matter how hard they keep trying and grinding.
sdandrea1 I didn't even use practice swings today.....just aligned the club face to the target, centered set up, swing the arms/club over the right shoulder, down the target line, over the left shoulder
Yeah practice swings are a killer using MDLT. You are grasping the targeting aspect.
sdandrea1
Steve,
Are you placing the driver dead center in your stance? Or is the ball in the middle of your stance? There is a difference. Do you find yourself able to draw the ball easier or just hitting it straighter?
Mike
Ball in middle. No draws for me yet. Straight is EZ tho.
scotts33 The baseball hitting examples pictured above are exactly why golfers who are on their back foot like baseball players hit fat shots and can't swing/move their weight on to their front side. Golf IMO is a front foot oriented swing. Baseball is not.
Former baseball player here (played in college and through my late 20s). Your quote above is me in a nutshell. I “load” my weight back, but don’t get it forward. I’ve got good hand-eye so I’ve been mostly able to cut out the fats by becoming more of a sweeper/picker which leads to a lot of thins. I’ve just started exploring this thread but a few hands lead clubless swings in the living room feel markedly different than trying to keep a stiff left arm through the backswing. My legs/body react totally differently; I can feel a turn (both back and forward) instead of a slide on the way back and trying to fight forward.
Excited to lean more!
