Manuel De La Torre Swing

Subsonic Played around at the range a few times and just did not seem for me

I think that's true for just about any swing if you truly don't give it a lengthy chance. Many that find Venetos that are playing off of back foot chunkers love Jim when they start hitting crisp shots right away.

If anything is gonna work it takes buying into it and working with it. I don't do a lot of range time, issue can be when you take something to the course and don't have quick results folks will give up on it as quickly. This is another reason don't worry about score and count good impact, it's not as hard on the ego.

Sam Snead at 65 years old. This is a legitimate senior swing.

pellmell That's poetry in motion. And he was probably still breaking 70, at least once in a while.

Manuel at 69.

rsvman2 He shot 67 & 66 here at the Quad Cities Open (JDC forerunner) when he was 67, in 1979.

scotts33

Supple (souplesse).

sdandrea1 Supple (souplesse)

In those above swings of Manuel and Sam Snead I'd say with that lifted left heel they can turn more in their 60's and display souplesse.. For edification Bill Owens came up the term souplesse, La Danse Du Golf. He is a UK golfer he moved to France and gave Triangulaid teaching. He came up with these terms. There is a direct correlation to Jones/DeLaTorre to Bill Owens.

You can watch and see these movements are much the same. Turn on English subtitles.

rsvman2 That's poetry in motion. And he was probably still breaking 70, at least once in a while.

At 61 he won the Senior World championship in 1973 at 20 under so I'm pretty sure he was still scoring in the 60's at 65. He also teamed with Don January to win the Liberty Mutual Legends of Golf 1983 at 71, I bet he was still in the 60's then.

Sneakylong

Morgan Pressel is a major LPGA winner also, but her swing is remarkably flawed.

pellmell

Not sure of your point. Every swing has flaws. It’s just some are able to negate those flaws better than others.

pellmell Sneakylong

Morgan Pressel is a major LPGA winner also, but her swing is remarkably flawed.

How do you define flawed? There is no standard or codified correct swing.

sdandrea1
Goat humping flipper.

pellmell Goat humping flipper.

But it worked for her, right?

sdandrea1

Yes, good enough to win four tournaments and perhaps indicative of the level of play on the LPGA.

pellmell Yes, good enough to win four tournaments and perhaps indicative of the level of play on the LPGA.

I'd take that flawed swing if she's done with it.

garyt1957 At 61 he won the Senior World championship in 1973 at 20 under so I'm pretty sure he was still scoring in the 60's at 65. He also teamed with Don January to win the Liberty Mutual Legends of Golf 1983 at 71, I bet he was still in the 60's then.

Sam was my first golfing hero! I got hooked on golf watching him win one match after another on an old TV show
called All Star Golf!

fatshot

The stories are legendary - we would need a separate thread.

Eguller The stories are legendary - we would need a separate thread

Soon to be Off the Rails?

Eguller The stories are legendary

Maybe I should start putting like he did late in his career......Jimmy Demaret said "He looks like he's basting
a turkey !"

Playing today, I was "thinking" MLTD concepts. Not sure that I'm actually embracing the mechanics, but Trish's videos helped. The centered concept and target-focus led to some very solid turf shots. I can tell it's an "arms" swing because my back is happy.

sdandrea1 The centered concept and target-focus led to some very solid turf shots.

What were the take aways pro's/con's and is MDLT a concept that you can stay the course?

sdandrea1 Gotta just think about "right shoulder, left shoulder, down the target line

Manuel is think hands back swing (but do not become a wrist roller-take away with hands have club face neutral to closed not open). Think upper arm elbow to shoulder socket thru to the forward swing (upper arm bicep).

You intention eventually will stop a lot of swaying as you will see impact improve unconsciously. If you start consciously working on swaying that is a body focused swing which is not a centered club focused Jones/De La Torre concept.

Subsonic I am definitely going to stay the course with MDLT for the irons through next season. Like where it has started and want to see where it keeps going.

Once you use the centered club focused same technique with driver that club will come around. If you use two different swings longer clubs will always be an issue IMO.

scotts33 . If you start consciously working on swaying that is a body focused swing which is not a centered club focused

Yep, agree. I'm only focusing on the hands& arms over right shoulder back thru target line to left shoulder. The result is no swaying. I did notice that my biceps and triceps are more involved. I can actually feel it. Club is on a better path too. Works with the driver too!

sdandrea1 Yep, agree. I'm only focusing on the hands& arms over right shoulder back thru target line to left shoulder. The result is no swaying. I did notice that my biceps and triceps are more involved. I can actually feel it. Club is on a better path too. Works with the driver too!

ALL good! What happens unconsciously is that your arms will become closer together like the drill that holds a ball between your arms so they don't get separated. Your golf swing will be more one piece and together.

Sounds like you are getting it!

scotts33 Sounds like you are getting it!

It seems natural/simple. Kinda reminds me of Annika Sorenstam.

Set up and address.

scotts33 Racquet sports and club focused golf swings much the same

Good comparison Scott.....I'll have to remember that when I try to help my 17 year
old grandson. He just took up golf in the last year or two and tends to hang back on his rear foot. He's a
good tennis player (plays 1st or 2nd singles on his HS team), but hasn't learned to get the weight back over
to his front foot on the golf course yet.....

fatshot Good comparison Scott.....I'll have to remember that when I try to help my 17 year
old grandson. He just took up golf in the last year or two and tends to hang back on his rear foot. He's a
good tennis player (plays 1st or 2nd singles on his HS team), but hasn't learned to get the weight back over
to his front foot on the golf course yet.....

Here ya go fatshot. Some tennis racquet comparisons. Any racquet will do.

18 holes today with commitment to MDLT no matter what happens. Shot 77 with 12 GIRs. 12 is HIGH for me. I had way too many putts today but had 2 birdies from well-struck approach shots. This concept is an epiphany game-changing thing for me. I'm using stock steel in the IsI Nickel irons (7, 8, 9, W, S2, S3). Graphite in everything else, but I'm NOT experiencing the "anvil" feeling I used to get with heavy steel shafts. Gotta be the path I'm in. I don't think I'll be considering going to mid irons because my Cally hybrids are excellent for those shots. I didn't even use practice swings today.....just aligned the club face to the target, centered set up, swing the arms/club over the right shoulder, down the target line, over the left shoulder. Confidence is soaring right now. I realize there will be backups, hiccups, and fuckups, but this swing is so simple, it's easy to restudy, re-read, re-watch etc., and get back in synch (I hope). Team got 4th today, but it wasn't my fault!

sdandrea1 This concept is an epiphany game-changing thing for me.

Happy to hear this Steve. Its a swing "feel" thing that Manuel can instill is what I have found for the majority and the centered swing makes sense to find the swing bottom consistency that so many can not find no matter how hard they keep trying and grinding.

sdandrea1 I didn't even use practice swings today.....just aligned the club face to the target, centered set up, swing the arms/club over the right shoulder, down the target line, over the left shoulder

Yeah practice swings are a killer using MDLT. You are grasping the targeting aspect.

scotts33

Gotta be aware of tempo too. Trish's videos are a nice visual for me.

scotts33 to find the swing bottom consistency

Yep. I'm checking my divots. They seem to start AHEAD of where the ball was......with every club played off the middle. How easy is this concept?

sdandrea1 Congrats Steve! Sounds like you have a new lease on life.....Keep it up !!!!!