Spuzz I think the fellas are just playing to piss guys like Rory. Plus, do not they not earn ranking points for this tourney? Kaymer was too far down to be concerned with that, iirc.

      Imagine owning a profitable business that has for years rewarded its employees rather handsomely.

      So a guy comes in and opens a new business across town, selling the same stuff that you sell. And he lures your best employees away by offering them more money and less work. Which is all fine and well. It's a free country. No laws have been broken, the owner is within his rights.

      Now imagine that new business owner demanding that you change your pay and compensation plan so that his employees can participate in the year-end bonus payout that your company's owner has made part of his employees' annual compensation.

      Maybe I'm reaching for some low-hanging fruit, but this sounds an awful lot like socialism 101.

        Par4QC I think the fellas are just playing to piss guys like Rory. Plus, do not they not earn ranking points for this tourney? Kaymer was too far down to be concerned with that, iirc.

        Kaymer is out of it, so nothing to gain points wise, just lots to lose, balls wise.

        Rory will be a mute in person is my guess, even with JT beside him.
        Brooksie and BDC should tag team those two clowns
        LOL

          PA-PLAYA Now imagine that new business owner demanding that you change your pay and compensation plan so that his employees can participate in the year-end bonus payout that your company's owner has made part of his employees' annual compensation.

          I don't see anyone doing or saying that. I think what, if anything, is being said that it is....THIS is how you should have been doing it all along, in order to keep players in place/happy. Who really wants to work for people that are knowingly giving it to your back door, and thinking they are the greatest people ever? You'll stay only as long as something better does not come along, because it's the only game allowed in town!! Choices. They have them now, if they are chosen to make the choice. Only ones making a big stink are the ones getting hurt. Just opposite of the playground confrontation....the bully did not start it. The bully is now crying. jmo

            Wouldn't you think that the guys that are staying on the PGA tour would be happy now? It makes it easier to win and more money than before.

              PA-PLAYA imagine that new business owner demanding that you change your pay and compensation plan so that his employees can participate in the year-end bonus payout that your company's owner has made part of his employees' annual compensation.

              If you are talking about World Ranking Points, I agree with you, as long as LIV is playing 54 hole events.
              If they up it to 72 holes, they have a legit beef.

              I liken the situation more to a type of Industrial Unionism.
              Factory owner (PGA) treats employees like shit with shit pay, as they are the only game in town.
              Union comes along (LIV) and disgruntled employees leave for more pay and better working conditions.
              Factory owners do everything they can to dissuade defectors using bully tactics, intimidation and threats.
              Eventually, factory owners who wish to remain viable, change tune and find more money for employees and upgrade conditions. Greedy factory owners sell or close up shop, failing to adapt to a changing world.

                  PA-PLAYA

                  I like this analogy. It's not like these guys were hurting for money. Especially when you look at the current roster of 48 players.

                    Ynotgolf And you'd think they would just STFU and play!!?? Now, they want to choose who they play against?? And get sick to their tummys when playing with people they no longer like. šŸ¤£

                      Can't wait for all the smack talk when they are paired with one another. If I was a LIVer, I'd be laying it on just to see the consequences. šŸ˜„

                        Par4QC If I was a LIVer, I'd be laying it on just to see the consequences. šŸ˜„

                        LOL
                        I hope Pat Reed shows up in his Captain America gear, with LIV stickers all over it.

                        Pelley asked them not to wear LIV logos as a favour, (which is against the LIV contracts they signed) after he banned them from any ProAms and Feature Groups etc.
                        Not sure what world these Tour Executive twats are living in.

                          One of the LIV'ers should have Norman caddy for him....hopefully someone playing with Rory or JT

                            wishbone Norman caddy for him....hopefully someone playing with Rory or JT

                            The caddie should have a laminated list of all Norman's wins and hang it on the bag, then say out loud to the player:
                            "Remember that shot Greg hit on hole "insert hole" at the "insert tourney name" that sealed the win there?
                            That's what you hit here"
                            Do that all day long. Different tourney for each hole. Won't run out of holes. lol

                              PA-PLAYA
                              Imagine working for an immensely profitable business, a veritable juggernaut, adding 350 to 400 million per year into its own coffers off the back of your work/talent. Really? How big does the PGA need to be? How many billion?

                              The more I read about the suits being brought against the PGA ā€¦ the more I want to see it go, publicly, to court. It could get interesting - if not eye-opening.

                                  Spuzz
                                  Until about an hour ago, I thought the PGA goon tactics were limited to just threatening suspension to players teeing it up in LIV ā€¦ now Iā€™m reading that, per LIV suits, the threats extended to player sponsors, vendors, and agents too. Not a good look if proven.

                                    What we have are two gigantic egos mudslinging at each other. Reminds me of a grade school squabble -
                                    "mommy, mommy...it's his fault, make him stop" šŸ™„

                                      Stu1961

                                      If you are using this logic, I am guessing you must live off your own land, make all your own goods, refine your own gas from your own oil rig, etc..

                                          PA-PLAYA Seems like a crap comparison to me, but to each his own.

                                            Mattyv I've done all that. Except the part of gas refining. Had to steal it. But, thats not about golf. Nor does it define me. šŸ˜…

                                              "If you are talking about World Ranking Points, I agree with you, as long as LIV is playing 54 hole events."

                                              Yep, that's my point. Perhaps it's not a great analogy, but I think it was good enough for you to see the angle I was taking. Thank you for helping me to explain it better.