Par4QC But, you are never going to use the same weight graphite that you would use in steel. My point.
If you could get a 60 gr. steel, it would probably be different. It's not what the shaft is made of causing the pains, it's the weights.

Might be. But... I had bad elbow (2) tendonitis from LD and hitting so may balls ( mostly steel early on ) and
when I made the complete switch to graphite, the tendonitis went away and never came back. I did try
steel shaft inserts without much luck FYI. I personally feel that there must be something to harsh vibration
dampening going on with graphite. Love some steel shafts, but.....

      Par4QC Maybe they should all be using 'all steel'.

      Back when I made enough speed to get steel to "function" in irons, I found it way more accurate and consistent than graphite. I understand why elite players would want that. I might only be arguing your implication that graphite is not a lot less painful than steel. It is in my case. 😘

          Eguller when I made the complete switch to graphite, the tendonitis went away and never came back. I did try
          steel shaft inserts without much luck FYI. I personally feel that there must be something to harsh vibration
          dampening going on with graphite. Love some steel shafts, but.....

          This......... exactly my case too.

              sdandrea1 . I might only be arguing your implication that graphite is not a lot less painful than steel.

              Read me again. I did say, 2 times, given the same weights. Yes, lighter graphite is going to be better than heavy steel, but if the weights are the same, imo it should be much the same. The force of the weight is what is pulling on those tendons and muscles.

              I'm probably still not making myself understood. 😩😄

              A lot of people go to graphite in irons thinking it will help with physical problems, but does it, when they go with same weight as they used in steel????

              I probably should not weigh in in these discussions any longer. I don't have the problems. I have used both graphite and steel, heavy & light, for many years in irons. I can tell the difference from a performance standpoint, but not from any pain relief standpoint. I have had harsh feeling graphite and steel shafts. And, I've had soft ones, sometimes too soft, esp. in graphite.

              Get forged heads. Take away some of that sting when hitting the ball off center. 👍 Like butta!

                  DonM 18 degree

                  Cannot fathom what that looks like on a modern driver head.

                      Par4QC The force of the weight is what is pulling on those tendons

                      Seems to be the case, when I went from 125gr to 105gr steel after a torn shoulder tendon, the fatique and sourness in that shoulder after a round of golf disappeared. It took me whole season however to get used to that weight and find the sweet spot again on the clubface. So even when I was hitting more off center with the lighter shaft and thus inducing more vibration, it was less stressfull.

                        I’m done thinking about it and screwing stuff together to hit. Not buying anything anyway so why bother. Putting too much thought inrto this for no reason.

                        Par4QC I understand what you are saying about the weight. There’s definitely something to that as far as the load on the arms. I notice it.

                            DonM Scott has probably said it before, dial on the weight first.

                              ode And it's at least 2 degrees closed.

                                sdandrea1 Eguller when I made the complete switch to graphite, the tendonitis went away and never came back. I did try
                                steel shaft inserts without much luck FYI. I personally feel that there must be something to harsh vibration
                                dampening going on with graphite. Love some steel shafts, but.....

                                This......... exactly my case too.

                                Me too. My elbow hurt so bad before I switched to graphite that I couldn't even wash my hair (when I had hair 😉). I pulled the steel shafts out of all my clubs and put graphite in and have been good since. I do have steel in my Cleveland wedges now though but just because I couldn't get graphite in them when I bought them. I seem to be getting by with only those two clubs in steel.

                                  Par4QC Take your eyes off the ball, and you'll never know when you hit it! Toooo soft.

                                  Forged head + soft tip graphite rings in your loins. 😎

                                    Par4QC Like you said before Rex, that’s for you. 😏

                                    When multiple people who use LogicalOne forged irons and forged wedges, WITH graphite shafts in them, for a living indicate that it’s ‘PURE AF’ that’s all I need to believe….facts. 😊

                                        LogicalOne I really have no clue as to what you are talking about. I've never said anything derogatory about using graphite shafts; I use them myself.

                                        I'll repeat myself for the 3rd/4th time........people are using graphite to alleviate pain. And they believe the graphite is the reason why the pain is lessened. I do not. I believe it is due to the (sometimes) extreme weight differences of steel vs. graphite shafts.
                                        Graphite is good. Steel is good. Composite is good (yes, they've been around for over 20 years). Use what you like to use. I do. 👍

                                        Is that fairly clear now, after another post??😡

                                        And FYI, lighten the fuck up....it was a joke......

                                        Par4QC Take your eyes off the ball, and you'll never know when you hit it! Toooo soft.

                                              Par4QC And FYI, lighten the fuck up....it was a joke......

                                              It’s a forum Rex. We all can chime in and express our views, not just you. 😏

                                                  LogicalOne Still, not a clue as to what you are pissed about??

                                                  Block me, if you don't like what I post.

                                                      Par4QC I'll repeat myself for the 3rd/4th time........people are using graphite to alleviate pain. And they believe the graphite is the reason why the pain is lessened. I do not. I believe it is due to the (sometimes) extreme weight differences of steel vs. graphite shafts.

                                                      Why didn't you just say that?

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