Dumbest Thing I've read today, via the internet......

Par4QC · 2017-10-03T21:58:45+00:00

"These people who don't even live in the U.S., the last best hope of man on Earth, think they know what's best for us." But........we know what's best for...

johnnydoom

Par4QC I don't think must gun enthusiast were unaware, just mostly uninterested. They may not be up anymore, but there used to be many youtube videos showing how to use them. The sales went up because the probability of a ban is almost certain and people wanted to get them while they still could. I wouldn't be surprised if the Feds weren't keeping tabs on those purchases as best as they could also.

PA-PLAYA

Sneakylong

It is logical to conclude that the shit coming from your mouth is diarrhea, and you and I will never agree on this issue.

So keep on shitting from your mouth while I ignore you.

johnnydoom

Sneakylong If it were logically rationale that more guns equals more gun homicides, then how did the rate of gun related homicides in the U.S. drop by 48% over a twenty years period while gun sales were rising exponentially. If you want a stat that directly contradicts your argument, that is it. And it was printed by that noted conservative publication called The Washington Post. I know your stat confounds suicides into the equation, but suicides have occurred at rates equivalent or higher than the U.S. in some of these civilized countries you refer to.

Sneakylong

johnnydoom

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/14/more-guns-more-crime-new-research-debunks-a-central-thesis-of-the-gun-rights-movement/?utm_term=.6a139346da17

"Now, Stanford law professor John Donohue and his colleagues have added another full decade to the analysis, extending it through 2010, and have concluded that the opposite of Lott and Mustard's original conclusion is true: more guns equal more crime."

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review)

"Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide."

Par4QC

puttnfool Par4QC While an intruder may be armed, their intent is to merely rob you, in most cases. If you should suddenly confront them, armed also, you just endangered your family, I'm thinking.

Par4QC johnnydoom but basically to anyone that argues that criminals with guns aren't really a threat, but that lawful gun owners are somehow a threat.

Again, never said that, either one. Just a 'mind study', if you will.

Oh, you said it. Not word for word, but you definitely said it.

Just re-read it. Was not my intent. But, ANYONE with a gun is a threat. At certain times. The 'mind study' part is about the way gun owners think they are NOT Wyatt Earp, when faced with Johnny Ringo!!

(remember, Wyatt was scared!!)

Sneakylong

raggmann54

You're confused as to my post. I was using sarcasm with the arsenal comment.

However IMO the Second Amendment is out dated. There is no threat from a foreign militia. We now have the National Guard, Armed Forces, Police etc.. There's no need for rural farmers to be armed in order to form a militia and fight the British in a minutes notice with musket rifles. And the fighting tyranny argument became a moot point years ago. Good luck fighting tyranny against the arsenal of the Armed Forces.

Having said that the Heller case is the law, but there can be limits imposed. I would argue one common sense limit would be not being able to amass an arsenal the likes of the Las Vegas shooter amassed in such a short time.

Along with enhanced background checks it seems reasonable for some red flags to go up when someone buys so many assault weapons in such a short time period. This is just the type common sense thing that gun rights advocates and gun safety people could agree on.

But the NRA is only interested in one thing. Selling more guns. So, don't hold your breath.

puttnfool

Sneakylong it seems reasonable for some red flags to go up when someone buys so many assault weapons in such a short time period.

Ok, so, I'll bite. How many guns in how long a time period?

Sneakylong But the NRA is only interested in one thing. Selling more guns.

The NRA doesn't sell guns.

puttnfool

Sneakylong the fighting tyranny argument became a moot point years ago

Tyranny in the U.S. was never higher during our lifetimes than from Jan 19, 2009 to Jan 20, 2017.

Sneakylong

puttnfool

Oh I forgot. The NRA represents the Hot Dog manufacturing industry. 😕

I believe I heard the Las Vegas shooter bought most of his 40 plus guns found in his room in October of 2016. So, just like if you withdraw $10,000 the government is notified, same thing with purchasing a large amount of guns.

Reasonable people could agree on how many etc..

puttnfool

I think the one thing everyone is missing here is that any home that has a knife in it is at a higher risk for homicide by stabbing. I propose we ban all knives.

Sneakylong

puttnfool

You're a clever one.

However, you're leaving out one glaring thing. Knives, like automobiles, like hammers, like baseball bats, like any other household items were not designed with the intention of killing someone. Whereas guns were designed with one intention. To kill someone.

puttnfool

Sneakylong just like if you withdraw $10,000 the government is notified

... and that should be none of the government's business either...

puttnfool

Sneakylong reasonable people could agree on how many etc.

Reasonable people already agreed that the government has no right to infringe on a U.S. citizen's right to bear arms yet unreasonable people continue to try more and more to infringe on that very right.

puttnfool

Sneakylong Oh I forgot. The NRA represents the Hot Dog manufacturing industry.

I just looked at nra.org and while the site lists 4 areas under the "Shopping" heading (NRA Carry Guard, NRA Store, NRA Country Gear, and NRA Program Materials Center) none of them list any guns for sale. Trust me, I looked for them hoping to find a deal.

So, your idea that the NRA wants to sell guns is inaccurate to put it kindly.

Weirfan

PA-PLAYA

Who ,when and where did anybody say there should be an across the board ban on firearms? We don't have up here only that it's prohibited to carry a concealed firearm or any firearm.

The point was invaders cannot tell who or who doesn't own a gun so they dont decide where they break in based on that they decide 99 percent of the time to break in when nobody is home. That's consistent to both our great countries. Our self defense laws in a home break in are different however it seems. We can only use reasonable force to quell the situation. Its much more complicated than that mind you but essentially cannot kill an intruder unless we are at imminent risk of death ourselves. Because the majority of break ins never involve an intruder with a firearm , we can't just shoot or kill somebody for enterring our home unwanted. That would result in charges, quite possibly murder. Break ins happen all the time just like in other places I can't recall a recent situation where the homeowner shot or killed the invader. When it ever does happen it's all over the news as its such a rare an event. break ins are usually kids looking for cash and items to flip quickly. The kid up the street is a good kid, was troubled but a nice kid. He had apparently broken into a few garages and cars. He 's 16 , no weapons and id hate to have seen him shot by an overzealous gun owner. He's now clean and back in school , so far so good. Despite this unique approach we don't have more break ins , Violent home invasions remain exceedingly rare as are gun related deaths in general are some of the lowest in the world. So as a peaceful society by nature we are far from perfect but content and proud with our low gun death rate. It's perhaps why we react with such strong emotion when these senseless and tragic mass shootings happen anywhere or raise an eyebrow to the high number of accidental and suicidal gun deaths per capita and gang related killings versus what we experience.

Sneakylong

Weirfan

The NRA in several states like Florida have been able to get passed 'shoot first ask questions later laws'. Here in Florida it's called 'Stand Your Ground'.

It basically allows a person to use deadly force when they 'feel' an imminent threat to their life or bodily harm. They don't have to retreat. They even have a phone number to call if you shoot and kill someone. They'll tell you exactly what to say in order to invoke the law as your defense.

It's a dumb law. It gives gun toters a reason to shoot first because they know they have a law to fall back on.

puttnfool

Weirfan Who ,when and where did anybody say there should be an across the board ban on firearms? We don't have up here only that it's prohibited to carry a concealed firearm or any firearm.

Yeah, @PA-PLAYA, no one said anything about an across the board ban. They still wanna let us own them (gee, thanks for your permission), but we have to keep them locked away where they're no good for their intended purpose.

puttnfool

Sneakylong However, you're leaving out one glaring thing. Knives, like automobiles, like hammers, like baseball bats, like any other household items were not designed with the intention of killing someone. Whereas guns were designed with one intention. To kill someone.

Again, the first murder was recorded as being committed with a rock. Should we ban those, too?

JeffTilley

And yet not one person has come forward with a legit stat showing how many lives are saved by guns........

JeffTilley

puttnfool

He apparently has never read what those pesky founding fathers said about the issue surrounding tyranny and our own government............

Sneakylong

puttnfool

Had a reply typed up to rebut all your idiocy, but then reality set in. 😄

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