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PA-PLAYA

Who ,when and where did anybody say there should be an across the board ban on firearms? We don't have up here only that it's prohibited to carry a concealed firearm or any firearm.

The point was invaders cannot tell who or who doesn't own a gun so they dont decide where they break in based on that they decide 99 percent of the time to break in when nobody is home. That's consistent to both our great countries. Our self defense laws in a home break in are different however it seems. We can only use reasonable force to quell the situation. Its much more complicated than that mind you but essentially cannot kill an intruder unless we are at imminent risk of death ourselves. Because the majority of break ins never involve an intruder with a firearm , we can't just shoot or kill somebody for enterring our home unwanted. That would result in charges, quite possibly murder. Break ins happen all the time just like in other places I can't recall a recent situation where the homeowner shot or killed the invader. When it ever does happen it's all over the news as its such a rare an event. break ins are usually kids looking for cash and items to flip quickly. The kid up the street is a good kid, was troubled but a nice kid. He had apparently broken into a few garages and cars. He 's 16 , no weapons and id hate to have seen him shot by an overzealous gun owner. He's now clean and back in school , so far so good. Despite this unique approach we don't have more break ins , Violent home invasions remain exceedingly rare as are gun related deaths in general are some of the lowest in the world. So as a peaceful society by nature we are far from perfect but content and proud with our low gun death rate. It's perhaps why we react with such strong emotion when these senseless and tragic mass shootings happen anywhere or raise an eyebrow to the high number of accidental and suicidal gun deaths per capita and gang related killings versus what we experience.

      puttnfool

      You're a clever one.

      However, you're leaving out one glaring thing. Knives, like automobiles, like hammers, like baseball bats, like any other household items were not designed with the intention of killing someone. Whereas guns were designed with one intention. To kill someone.

          Weirfan

          The NRA in several states like Florida have been able to get passed 'shoot first ask questions later laws'. Here in Florida it's called 'Stand Your Ground'.

          It basically allows a person to use deadly force when they 'feel' an imminent threat to their life or bodily harm. They don't have to retreat. They even have a phone number to call if you shoot and kill someone. They'll tell you exactly what to say in order to invoke the law as your defense.

          It's a dumb law. It gives gun toters a reason to shoot first because they know they have a law to fall back on.

            And yet not one person has come forward with a legit stat showing how many lives are saved by guns........

            Sneakylong just like if you withdraw $10,000 the government is notified

            ... and that should be none of the government's business either...

              Sneakylong However, you're leaving out one glaring thing. Knives, like automobiles, like hammers, like baseball bats, like any other household items were not designed with the intention of killing someone. Whereas guns were designed with one intention. To kill someone.

              Again, the first murder was recorded as being committed with a rock. Should we ban those, too?

                Sneakylong reasonable people could agree on how many etc.

                Reasonable people already agreed that the government has no right to infringe on a U.S. citizen's right to bear arms yet unreasonable people continue to try more and more to infringe on that very right.

                  Weirfan Who ,when and where did anybody say there should be an across the board ban on firearms? We don't have up here only that it's prohibited to carry a concealed firearm or any firearm.

                  Yeah, @PA-PLAYA, no one said anything about an across the board ban. They still wanna let us own them (gee, thanks for your permission), but we have to keep them locked away where they're no good for their intended purpose.

                    Sneakylong Oh I forgot. The NRA represents the Hot Dog manufacturing industry.

                    I just looked at nra.org and while the site lists 4 areas under the "Shopping" heading (NRA Carry Guard, NRA Store, NRA Country Gear, and NRA Program Materials Center) none of them list any guns for sale. Trust me, I looked for them hoping to find a deal.

                    So, your idea that the NRA wants to sell guns is inaccurate to put it kindly.

                      Sneakylong the fighting tyranny argument became a moot point years ago

                      Tyranny in the U.S. was never higher during our lifetimes than from Jan 19, 2009 to Jan 20, 2017.

                          puttnfool

                          He apparently has never read what those pesky founding fathers said about the issue surrounding tyranny and our own government............

                            There are over 2 times more guns in rural areas than urban, yet murder rates by gun are substantially higher in urban areas. Who commits more crime by gun, republicans or democrats?

                              Some interesting commentary in this 'gun control' redux. LOL (As if everyone of these arguments hasn't been put forth previously.)
                              Nonetheless, it seems there's a modicum of extremism on display and it seems misguided.
                              One, of the more recent mass shootings, how many of those perpetrators were "criminals"? I'm thinking most recently Sandy Hook and Las Vegas. Oh, very few? So, we need to protect ourselves from the unknown and unpredictable?

                              Two, I don't believe anyone here has mentioned gun control being exemplified by confiscating all firearms. So, what's the fuss? Because it seem everyone posting 'pro-gun' continually responds to something that's not been mentioned, addressed, or threatened.
                              Lastly, do we "know" - do we truly know what the intention of the Second Amendment WAS (that's past tense)? Somewhat an aside but, I believe the purpose of our revolution was related to "taxation without representation". I believe the same issue sparked The Civil War, with slavery being piggy-backed as an issue (read some transcripts of Honest Abe's level of racism, oops... sorry). And, I believe WE currently receive little representation by our elected officials. Yes, I stated, "we".

                              Carry on...

                                professor

                                kudos Prof.

                                Amazing how some people keep arguing against things that haven't been said 🙂 a common deflection response used by those who can't muster an acceptable or reasonable reply or who intentionally ignore the points being made in an attempt to trumpet their personal agendas.

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                                  Sneakylong I'll take it that's just another way for you to say I was right. Which I already knew, but thanks anyway.

                                    professor Sandy Hook and Las Vegas

                                    Sandy Hook and Las Vegas shooters were both criminals prior to pulling the trigger on their first victim. So, I ask, what is your point? Criminals will be criminals. Rules and laws matter not to them.

                                      professor do we truly know what the intention of the Second Amendment WAS

                                      Yes, "shall not be infringed" is fairly cut and dry. That's what it meant, what it means, and what it shall mean. The founding fathers did not set an expiration date therefore, it's a safe assumption, they meant it to be enduring.