sdandrea1

Some people feel that having an opinion that Tiger might have a problem and needs help is wrong. The irony is that it's no different than the people who are of the opinion and are making the assumption that he doesn't .

Like or dislike Tiger I doubt that any member of this forum would wish and hope that Tiger has an addiction problem, I want to believe that we are all understanding of how terrible that can be. However, we all have the right to formulate our own opinions on what might be going on with him.

sdandrea1
Oh geez... Laughing whenever I so choose. I believe we're all judgmental - just a matter of degrees.

He may need help. But, it's usually best to clearly define problems before seeking solutions. We are not gonna know what the problem is.

As far as my equivocating comment, it might actually be more compliment than insult. Since FGI I've noticed you typically take the high road and when offering opinions, yours are usually more measured and conservative. I think we all fall on a range in terms of our reactions - sentiments, some being more opinionated and reactionary and some less.

    mikeintopeka
    I don't know... Some folks seem to think that bad press is better than no press. It sure ain't a commercial!

      professor

      You're fortunate. I don't follow them either, but I think that they are merely famous for being famous. Amassed a fortune via TV Reality show that chronicles their worthless, spoiled lives.

      Just for the sake of discussion... who thinks Charles Barkley (who I actually like btw) has more "insider" knowledge about pro golf than Jack Nicklaus?

      Is it a stretch to assume that Nicklaus might know something that other people don't know as it relates to Woods? Is it a stretch to assume that (perhaps) Tiger's prior associations with fellow celeb athletes like Sir Charles, Jordan, etc. - guys who've long been known to enjoy "playboy" lifestyles - no longer exist since November 2009?

      Hey, I understand why his most ardent of fans want to give him the benefit of the doubt. And quite truthfully - when I see these arrest videos being made public - it actually sways my opinion considerably to the pro-Tiger side, simply because I don't think releasing those videos were necessary unless a legal injunction called for them. I am not about kicking a guy while he's down and humiliating him needlessly further.

      But if you're asking me who I personally trust the opinions of more as it relates to anything golf-related, I will take Nicklaus over Sir Charles every loving time. If he says "Tiger needs our help," then I don't think there's really anything needing to be explained.

      Nicklaus is considered the greatest golfer on the planet, AND an admitted Tiger Woods supporter. I think he comes at this from a slightly different, more objective and more knowledgeable angle than Barkley does.

        PA-PLAYA

        I doubt the videos were released to further humiliate Tiger, but to comply with Florida statutes ( although I don't know if that 100%) . I suppose one could say, don't want to be humiliated, don't do something stupid. The videos do invoke feelings of sympathy towards Tiger, they are outright sad to watch.

        Reading through this thread makes me remember how polarizing Tiger always was on the FGI forum. Before 2009, it seemed people were judged as either a "fanboy" or a "hater." Nothing in between. I always thought those on either extreme were a little crazy. Tiger's fist pumps and celebrations were an affront to the game of golf? You're a "hater" (maybe based on racism) if you root for underdogs to beat him or don't like his expletive laden mini tantrums on the course?

        Having said that, I think this thread has overall represented much more reasoned discussion than we saw in the past, even if professor remains quite sensitive to criticism of or speculation about Tiger's life after this recent event, and weirfan's approach seems reminiscent of those who obsess with high profile murder mysteries. ☺

          "But we don’t know that because we don’t know Woods. We never have."

          USA TODAY Sports columnist Nancy Armour on Twitter @nrarmour.
          I think this statement sums it up for all, even Jack & Charles. Probably even for his own Mother!!
          On the surface, it appears he does have a 'medication' dependency; I think there is enough circumstantial evidence of that.

            MidwayJ - Guitar Player (or whatever his name was) on FGI was Tiger's biggest fanboy on that site and would post some outlandish comments trolling for reaction.

            This has been a fairly spirited and mostly civil discussion....much unlike what we were more
            accustomed too on the old FGI site,where things pertaining to Tiger Woods could get off track and get real
            ugly real quick.....I blame 'some' of the old mods for that! 🙂
            Sure it's an unfortunate circumstance that brought this whole topic to light,but it's being discussed
            on just about every news/sports/golf outlet there is,often times by people who probably don't know a wedge
            from a driver.....so why not talk about it here?

            TW is still probably the most recognized athlete in the world,even though he hasn't competed in quite sometime.
            He's always been pretty aloof about his private life,so when we see first hand/up close and personal a glimpse into a bit of reality when it pertains to Tiger,some of us go "Holy shit,that's Tiger F'n Woods" in that dash cam!
            "Say it ain't so",but unfortunately it was....The greatest golfer of my generation appears to be in a major downward spiral to nowhere!

            But maybe he comes out the other end of this mess,a better person who finally comes clean about who he
            really is,(not that he owes us that much) and gets his life back together,gets healthy and who knows maybe even
            starts to compete again successfully..
            Look at John Daly,who didn't count him out when he stood there shivering up in Canada going through withdrawals due mainly to too much booze.
            The thing about Daly,he didn't try to hide his problems,the guys a friggin walking/talking open book.
            Maybe THAT'S the person Tiger needs to talk too,someone who's been down that rocky road and somehow
            beat the inner demons down..... and survived the media,sponsors exit,fan heckling etc
            JD looks like he's enjoying a good life now on the Senior Circuit,I expect him to win soon if he can get
            some putts to drop.
            I think Tiger should give him a call!

              darpar I expect him (Daly) to win soon if he can get
              some putts to drop.

              You mean win "again" as he won a few weeks ago.

                Spuzz
                Damn you're right, I missed that one a few weeks ago! ;(

                PA-PLAYA Just for the sake of discussion... who thinks Charles Barkley (who I actually like btw) has more "insider" knowledge about pro golf than Jack Nicklaus?

                Whoa, somebody is losing their reading/interpretation skills... I do not think Charles has more insider knowledge about pro golf.
                I do believe he has far more insight about TW than Jack - lots more!

                I think a lot of this speculative back and forth is because Tiger is so secretive. If this were Phil we'd know a lot more because Phil has been so accessible with the media. Tiger is experiencing the flip side of this media scrutiny because he's been so guarded over the years and given the public (basically) nothing over the years as to any insight into his life.

                BTW, this secretive stuff all started when Tiger first came up and he was being interviewed by sports writer Charles Pierce (now with Esquire). Tiger told an off color joke which he assumed Pierce would not include in his article. However, Pierce included it in the article and Tiger never forgot that and became the say nothing Tiger we've come to know.

                You could say the chickens have come home to roost for Tiger. He's built up zero relationships with the media and because of this he remains the enigma we've come to know and love.

                Prof - Perhaps, you don't realize that TW talked with Jack Nicklaus about his back issues and pain in recent years. In 2012 JN encouraged TW to bring his trainer and consult with a therapist JN uses. At first TW did not respond, but later when TW was in so much pain he had difficulty even walking TW contacted JN and accepted the offer. TW & TW personal trainer and JN therapist spent a day together. Public comments made by JN were very positive regarding the meeting and resultant relationship. Whether fact or speculation some have stated within the golf community that when their paths cross, TW has discussed his recent surgeries, pain, therapy, etc. with JN.

                JN comments have always been limited, but positive in regard to TW returning to competitive golf. This was in spite of 3 back surgeries, the first being in April 2014. That is until TW 4th back surgery in April 2017 fusing together the L5 and S1 vertebrae. After this and prior to this recent incident JN expressed some doubt about the possible return of TW to competitive golf.

                  lambo
                  Hey, that's great. But, it doesn't mean diddly squat to me regarding who Tiger would present his true self to more readily - Charles or Jack Nicklaus. Me thinks he maintains more his public personal with Jack (even if it's just in deference to his age/status) than he would with Barkley. Again, sometimes I guess I just communicate sufficiently...