I own a DTG Felon driver and have hit it many times. I also used to own a Integra driver that was supposed to be non-conforming. I can't say that either one gains me much in the way of maximum distance. I'm sure it's not more than 7-8 yards. Most of the time I don't get anymore yardage than I can get with my best drive with a conforming driver. What I can say is that I get my maximum distance more often with the non-conforming Felon than I do with the conforming one(s). They're fun to goof around with but kind of a waste of time because you could be grooving a better swing with your legal driver instead of the illegal ones while you use them.

    mulegolf

    You referenced waste of time with a non-conforming driver. No argument here.

    More importantly, at least for this forum membership, #1 would be a waste of money.

    Double the waste by mating the head with the non-conforming Felon shaft.

    ronsc1985 If you can carry the ball 250 yards you pick up 9.5 yards, hardly earth shattering.

    Almost 10 yards sounds earth shattering to me! If I can pick up 10 yards by simply grabbing a different club....I'm interested.

    There are a lot of folks out there that aren't very good at golf, but they still love to play. Give them a non-conforming club. I don't care, and I know they don't.

    Mule,
    Perhaps you can tell me what is your ss with a driver.Thanks.

      I have had a Wishon 959 OL for some time. I used it at first as a driver , but did not find a great difference in distance. Since then I put a 42 1/2" shaft in it and use it on tight par 4 holes. For some reason it just feels good when I swing it. Very accurate and still gives decent distance. About the same as my 3 wood that I retired some years ago. I no longer post scores so it is not a problem with being non conforming.

      Balleszabal
      Mule,
      Perhaps you can tell me what is your ss with a driver.Thanks.

      It has fallen to about an average of 90 MPH. It's more (94-96) when back and knees are good and less (86-88)
      when they are acting up. Looking back, I remember when it was 107-110 but that was 25-30 yrs. ago. Father time catches up with all of us sooner or later. Now, I just hope to be on the course feeling and swinging with no pain or stiffness in the back, knees, etc.

      I think people see " non conforming driver" and just smell distance. Same with those non conforming balls I used to see advertised in "Parade" magazine.

      When they get them they realize they don't hit it any further than they did before.

        A member here reported big gains with the LB130, then all the rocket science assholes here told him he was a liar.

        I bought and sold a number of the early release TM driver that were illegal due to core. They were longer than the same TM driver that was then tested legal. The key was to hit the ball dead center on the screws and you got the benefit of the physics involved. Off center hits did not seem to make much difference. So you have to ask how often do you really hit the driver in the sweet spot?

        Most golfers did not realize the difference in the legal and illegal TM driver was easily recognizable by the face lines. So I ended up buying & selling quite a few over several years. I was actually amazed at what some bidders would pay. I tend to be value oriented, but it made me realize when some people want something, price is not an issue.

        I've been playing a golfworks Defiant with an aldila nvs 55R shafted at 46". For me it just reduces the distance loss on off center hits. I think I'm getting more distance but since I'm not that consistent I'm not sure. Since a brain tumor took me out of the game for a few years I would play with a non-conforming bag full of non-conforming clubs if I could and wouldn't give a rat's butt about it.

          Is there a "non-conforming" driver which produces noticeable advantage in distance ?
          Or most of them are marketing slogans !
          I would consider over 5% gain in distance keeping everything else the same qualifies.

          govols Still at it after brain tumor
          Play with any darn club you feel like using !
          This world, the next, then the fire trucks
          ???
          I don't know...

          Release,do you want more distance? Get fitted. No need for a nonconforming driver,believe me.
          Govols ,if there is a non-conforming putter I am ready to buy it if you can tell me where.

            Balleszabal

            Believe me, I know the importance of being fitted for golf equipment.

            I was asking if there is a real distance gainer regardless of conforming or not.
            The upper limit with current technology and material at hands could produce a COR of .90 So is there a driver head close to .90 COR ? If so, anyone has experience with it ?

            The longest non-conforming driver (it was never submitted) I have ever used was a TourSwing Infringer.

            I finally retired my Infringer for one last adjustable driver vs 919 shootout.

            govols

            With an Moi off the charts and non-conventional in shape, it should be non-conforming.

            There is the TPF M80 , the Enhanced model for ss below 85 mph (I think) has a 0.90 COR but still I do not get any more distance compared with my legal drivers.However I have the impression that the Ryoma Maxima D1 (www.tourspecgolf.com) does fool the norm because both crown and sole are made of a propietary Ti alloy that flexes like paper.Great carry and incredibly unusual long roll.