Subsonic The beauty of the EJ/MDLT swing for me is that it is the simplest way I have found for the average person to play good golf. It has been by far the most intuitive method for me. I am not trying to be Tiger Hogan or Ben Nicklaus or whomever. I simply want to go out, hit the ball well and enjoy myself.

Having said that, I am sure you can play "high level" golf with this method.

I believe the single most important factor in playing well is confidence, so do whatever gives you that confidence

Good points and I feel the same.

To answer your questions a few posts back. The only thing that changes for me other than specialty shots with MDLT is the length of the club. My woods and irons/wedges have that sameness to them just the playing length changes.

I have taken some points of Brian Sparks Positive Impact Golf and applied them to MDLT but I feel they both can be intertwined. P.I.G. helped with the mental side and not over swinging more fluidity or souplesse which Manuel preached to me. My left heel depending on the length of swing is lifted and body turn/turn with target focus and weight on front side belt buckle turned at target. At a senior age 73 all of this ability to make a full turn has added slight distance and my body doesn't ache after walking and carrying 18. It's the mental side of being centered ie. E. Jones and not having to think where is this body part or that. It's a timing swing with no thinking. Most would think a timing swing would be hard to repeat but I find it much much easier with good ball flight. The resistance swings are body killers for seniors.

    A benefit of Manuel and other hands / arm guys teachings are not only are they body friendly, but you don’t need a lot of practice time to develop that type of swing.

    As I mentioned the body focused swings are in vogue right now. And there really isn’t much new in golf swing evolution. It’s all been done before. Like other things it’s history we don’t know.

    A hands / arms guy I follow is Mike Malaska who was a disciple of Jim Flick. He’s big on the hands. Milo Lines is a disciple of Malaska’s, but incorporates the squat and turn pivot that is so prevalent in body focused swings.

    Nobody says you can’t take pieces of things from different teachers and use them in your own swing. Another hands / arms guy I started following is from Sweden, Marcus Edblad. His stuff makes a lot of sense to me. Here’s one of his many vids below.

    I’ve incorporated his pushing down of the trail hand into impact with irons with pretty good success. Especially my wedge play.

      scotts33 So, many of us won't agree with the non-believers.

      I would agree that many people would agree or disagree with an agreed-upon agreement. Those in agreement are unique, just like those in disagreement.

      PapaD's musings, circa 2022

          I like watching Monte Scheinblum. His no cast turn video really is amazing. He’s a LD guy so I like his instruction because it’s always going to be speed related. Swinging your arms faster is the key to hitting it longer.

          I’ve picked up some good winter drills from him and a few others to increase strength in my left side and increase arm speed.

            Subsonic

            This makes too much sense. lol

            "The club-focused instruction long advocated by de la Torre and Ernest Jones prior to him has now been validated by new research performed by Dr. Gabriele Wulf at the University of Las Vegas and by Dr. Bob Christina at the University of North Carolina.

            In their studies players of all skill levels improved faster when given club-focused instruction."It has been recognized that the golf club is a tool and humans are remarkable in their use of tools (hammer, scissors, scalpel, knife, tooth brush, etc.). With none of these, or any other tools, does a person attend to how the body is used. The body action is a subconscious physical response to the user's conscious mental intention."[7]"

                Typhoon It's 'no turn, cast,' not 'no cast, turn.' He asks players to swing the club back without turning and then to deliberately cast on the way down.

                  Sarnella I don’t, I get bored at the indoor golf place I work at so I do the drills. I’ll hit a few balls indoors to make sure my numbers are still up. I went to the range twice this year just to make sure I’m still hitting it over fence at the end of the range is all. I hate sending around doing nothing😁

                      Serge Gracovetsky, Ph.D
                      The Spinal Engine

                      This describes what happens in a powerful golf swing. When an MDLT swing can produce a 300 yard drive, let me know.

                        I'm currently using the anti MDLT swing I guess. I take it back and my only thought on the downswing is turn my left hip behind me. That pulls everything down and through. If I think about using my arms or hands at all it ruins everything. Really easy on the body and so far very accurate. Even my nephew mentioned that I look like I'm putting no effort into the swing. Just shows anything can work for somebody and there are no absolutes.

                        Subsonic

                        I apologize. When I hear of swing methods, it's a trigger for me. Take for example instructors David Leadbetter and Sean Foley. Under their tutelage, the swings of Tiger Woods, Lydia Ko and Michelle Wie were ruined.

                        Here's a famous quote from Leadbetter in 1997

                        "Right now, Tiger is a one-dimensional player who swings full on practically every shot.....Another thing that will prevent Tiger from winning a major is pressure. There’s a big difference between winning at Las Vegas and winning at Augusta… He has to pay his dues."