I can't find anything definitive for the 2023 team selection criteria, but the rules for previous Ryder Cups have 'must be a member of the PGA/European Tour' as one of the conditions to be met for a player to be selected.

    MartinD anything definitive for the 2023 team selection criteria

    So far, (for the Euros) all I have read is that joining LIV puts their Ryder Cup "eligibility in jeopardy" but nothing more.
    I think the US eligibility will be more "complicated"
    Just a guess.

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        MartinD Correct, for the US side, must be a member of PGA--which is not the PGA Tour. Being a member of PGA Tour gave them PGA membership, no easy thing to ve a PGA member though.

          Spuzz moreso an issue for future captaincy Westwood, Garcia, Poulter. Those guys might get there shot anyway as who else do they have to choose from🤔

              Bravopilot makes me wonder if those guys consult the R&A/Euro Tour first. Hard to imagine those guys wouldn't be RC captains!

                Bravopilot I haven't seen the Euros punish their members--Yet.

                I may have already posted this, but if the Euro Tour wanted to play the PGA dirty all they have to do is say they'll allow their players to play LIV with no punishment, and voila! half the PGA Tour immediately goes over to the Euro Tour and the PGA is left holding the bag. Those guys can then earn points for the majors which is one of the main stumbling blocks for the LIV Tour. The PGA Tour would have to crumble or go bankrupt.

                    garyt1957 I may have already posted this

                    I already mentioned this, but whatever.
                    It would be a smart business move on their part.

                        I think the main reason (U.S. players anyway) care about the Ryder Cup is because their sponsors want the visibility of them playing in the Ryder Cup. I would imagine the players that jumped to LIV have already factored in the probable loss of sponsorship into their economic risk/benefit calculation. Now it just remains to be seen if they've miscalculated.

                          ode moreso an issue for future captaincy Westwood, Garcia, Poulter. Those guys might get there shot anyway as who else do they have to choose from🤔

                          I'd also include McDowell on that list of potential European captains who decided to go down the LIV route.

                          That said, there are still a few decent options - Casey, Donald, Molinari, Rose - or ask a previous captain if they would like to do the job again.

                              Spuzz I already mentioned this, but whatever.

                              I knew it was a genius thought, just thought I came up with it

                                  MartinD Casey, Donald, Molinari, Rose

                                  I think it kind of odd, that these fellas would be European captains. They seldom play there, and they've all been living in the U.S. for several years. Just doesn't seem right, for some reason.

                                      garyt1957 I knew it was a genius thought, just thought I came up with it

                                      LOL
                                      Genius is not limited to my small part of Canada
                                      😉

                                          johnnydoom I would imagine the players that jumped to LIV have already factored in the probable loss of sponsorship into their economic risk/benefit calculation

                                          Speaking of Sponsors:
                                          Those that jumped ship speak of family time (and yes maybe some of it is BS) but not having a sponsor also frees up some family time, or more personal time, for charities and whatever.
                                          It would be a large assumption that the top tier LIV guys would not be supporting their favorite charities with all this "found" money rolling in. It would also be another discussion if said charities would accept "blood" money, but that's a chat for down the road.
                                          In reality, if an up and coming Amateur intends to join the PGA Tour, he must already have a bag full of cash, or a Sponsor. I have always thought that it's the rich kids that play golf, and having an empty bank account means is a pipe dream unless you are an absolute lock (like Tiger). There are more fails than succeeds. To me, not all of that is due to lack of skills. Some, or most, of that, must be due to lack of monetary support.
                                          No guaranteed income from a just one week's worth of time and effort and expenses can only go on for a short time.
                                          So what if the AMs hit the LIV Tour (if it's possible) before they join the PGA? I mean down the road a bit, if that tour takes off? Interesting to me.
                                          As I said before, it looks like the PGA has no Plan B or foresight and have played the Tiger card for far too long and now are between a rock and a hard place regarding promotion of the names. Some huge compromises are on the horizon.
                                          Adapt or die as they say.
                                          Just some Spuzzmusings
                                          😉

                                              Spuzz It would be a large assumption that the top tier LIV guys would not be supporting their favorite charities with all this "found" money rolling in.

                                              If the total amount of money being paid is real, the top LIV guys could probably donate 10% each and beat out the Tour's total annual charity donation.

                                                  KCee They didn't go there in order to give more money away. They already had more than enough to do so. 😉Not happening, imo.

                                                      Par4QC They didn't go there in order to give more money away. They already had more than enough to do so

                                                      "Having enough money" is a relative term.
                                                      I think there are many reasons they went there, aside from the money, and it will vary for each individual.
                                                      JMO

                                                          Par4QC I think it kind of odd, that these fellas would be European captains. They seldom play there, and they've all been living in the U.S. for several years. Just doesn't seem right, for some reason.

                                                          It's pretty much inevitable with the changes to world golf over the last 30-40 years - it's much easier now for the best European players to be members of the PGA Tour (which has the highest standards and deepest fields, on average) and still maintain membership of the European/DP World Tour. For the top players in the 1980s and 1990s, the choice was either to play mainly in Europe and only be able to play 6-8 events in the US (including the majors) or commit to being a full member of both tours and have to play something like at least 15 events on both tours, with all of the travelling that this would require. More recently, there are a number of events (majors and WGCs, and maybe a few others) that effectively count towards the membership requirements on both tours, so it's much easier to be a member of both tours. It also means that the balance has shifted the other way - it's now possible to be a member of the European Tour and only play something like 6 or 8 events on that tour (which most guys based in the US get by playing the Middle East events early in the year, the Scottish Open as part of Open Championship preparation and the big European Tour events like the PGA Championship at Wentworth and the season-ending Tour Championship).