Sneakylong The former would be true if Elon Musk decided to start his own Golf Tour and compete with the PGA Tour. I would suspect the PGA Tour would react the same way.

Of course they would have. The "morality" issue is a smokescreen. The PGA had no problem issuing releases to play in the Saudi Invitational or their Pro-Am in the past (or other ME sites with questionable human rights reps). Their moral compass only became engaged when confronted by a competing league.

There may appear to be two issues at play here ... but I think that's only from an outsiders perspective (cultivated by PGA controlled, or dependent, media - aka "stooges" 😜).

For the players jumping ship - yes, of course, it's all about the money (99.82%). But that was true for them when they joined the PGA as well. Were they all sellouts then, too, for not pursuing golf history as an amateur? Or staying on the Euro/Asian/whatever tour? I have no problem with their chasing money ... nor should the PGA, as that is behind their position/decision too.

I kind of wish, for curiosity alone, there were more names, and bigger names, than the 17 suspended - to weaken the PGA's stranglehold as the preeminent tour. Maybe that will happen eventually? But, IMO, nothing will change until then. The number and quality of player's they've lost so far are the equivalent of blowing the head off a mug of beer. 🍺

DonM I think the Euro tour is really in a tough spot. They already seemed to be fading. They can’t afford to lose good players. So this new tour could hurt them badly. They almost have to allow the players to stay or join up, for their own survival.

I don’t know what degree of solidarity they have with the PGA Tour.

Seems they could steal the PGA Tour's thunder by allowing players to come and go. All the LIV players would then play on the Euro Tour to qualify for majors and even more PGA guys would jump for sure. The PGA Tour would be in dire straits.

Spuzz Working together to try and keep their members/employees happy and not suspending them because they took a my way or the highway approach. They even adjusted the rules to allow it (less required DP Events for eg.)

The only reason they did that is all their decent players would have jumped to the US tour where the money and prestige is. They didn't do it out of any caring for their players.

    Par4QC They are back, and deliberately this time. Sorry to be the one to break the bad news.

      Spuzz Assuming that the "names" on that the banned list were intending to play, how does banning them help the Champions Tour, which is crying for "names" to spice up that tour?
      The answer is, obviously, it does not help.

      Ain't that the truth, the only time I bothered to watch a CT event was when Phil played in a couple when he turned 50. You talk about a Tour of nobodies? The big names make too much money now to need to play on the CT

      Par4QC Keeping in mind, the players there really do not much like Americans. It's why you never see some of them come over. They have some very big names/multiple winners, that won't cross the ocean, even for the money here. I think that will play into any decisions as to letting these guys join up.

      I really doubt dislike for Americans is why they're not coming over. Name me one DP Tour player who could move the needle that isn't playing here already. The ones who don't probably don't want to uproot their families. And may feel they can't contend.

      DP World Tour Race to Dubai (06.06.2022)
      #
      NAME
      NATIONALITY
      POINTS
      TOURNAMENTS
      1.
      McIlroy Rory
      Northern Ireland
      1979,1
      4
      2.
      Hovland Viktor
      Norway
      1953,2
      5
      3.
      Thomas Justin
      USA
      1946,3
      3
      4.
      Zalatoris Will
      USA
      1702,8
      3
      5.
      Pieters Thomas
      Belgium
      1645,2
      7
      6.
      Fox Ryan
      New Zealand
      1299,4
      10
      7.
      Larrazabal Pablo
      Spain
      1183,2
      10
      8.
      Bland Richard
      England
      1060,7
      9
      9.
      Meronk Adrian
      Poland
      972,8
      12
      10.
      Arnaus Adria
      Spain
      970,5
      11
      11.
      Smith Jordan
      +2
      England
      932,5
      11
      12.
      Lowry Shane
      -1
      Ireland
      911,6
      5
      13.
      Horsfield Sam
      -1
      England
      906,3
      5
      14.
      Hatton Tyrrell
      England
      839,8
      5
      15.
      Bekker Oliver
      South Africa
      819,5
      14
      16.
      Wu Ashun
      China
      808,6
      13
      17.
      Sharma Shubhankar
      India
      796,5
      10
      18.
      Perez Victor
      +6
      France
      787,6
      8
      19.
      Olesen Thorbjorn
      -1
      Denmark
      787,3
      10
      20.
      Cabrera-Bello Rafa
      -1
      Spain
      740,2
      6
      21.
      Fleetwood Tommy
      +1
      England
      740,0
      6
      22.
      Lawrence Thriston
      -1
      South Africa
      733,2
      14
      23.
      Morikawa Collin
      -3
      USA
      713,8
      5
      24.
      Otaegui Adrian
      -1
      Spain
      689,1
      12
      25.
      Samooja Kalle
      +61
      Finland
      682,9
      12
      26.
      Ferguson Ewen
      -1
      Scotland
      627,4
      12
      27.
      Long Hurly
      Germany
      609,7
      13
      28.
      Harding Justin
      -2
      South Africa
      600,2
      10
      29.
      Fitzpatrick Matthew
      -1
      England
      581,7
      3
      30.
      Soderberg Sebastian
      -1
      Sweden
      579,4
      12
      31.
      Hanna Chase
      -1
      USA
      565,9
      14
      32.
      Power Seamus
      -1
      Ireland
      555,3
      3
      33.
      Fisher Ross
      -1
      England
      540,5
      13
      34.
      Norris Shaun
      -1
      South Africa
      516,0
      6
      35.
      Hojgaard Nicolai
      -1
      Denmark
      505,6
      10
      36.
      Scott Adam
      -1
      Australia
      503,8
      5
      37.
      Paul Yannik
      +1
      Germany
      474,8
      13
      38.
      Besseling Wil
      +66
      Netherlands
      474,6
      13
      39.
      Ancer Abraham
      -3
      Mexico
      459,3
      3
      40.
      du Plessis Hennie
      -3
      South Africa

      DonM Today I was able to find the actual LIV Golf feed on YouTube.
      How come so few guys are under par?

      Weather was really bad the first two days as I understand it.

      rsvman2 They are back, and deliberately this time. Sorry to be the one to break the bad news.

      Yep, they've been the trend for awhile now

      garyt1957 The only reason they did that is all their decent players would have jumped to the US tour where the money and prestige is. They didn't do it out of any caring for their players.

      My point is, the shoe is on the other foot now.
      I would disagree slightly on your second point though.
      The Euro Tour is not the same (now) as it used to be. The players voices are heard.

        Spuzz yea, but why are the player's voices heard? Because they know they'll go play in the US if they don't listen. Competition is a good thing.

          azgreg

          They need the money? They've got families to feed? What did they do with the gazillion $ they already had?

          At least GP is honest about them jumping ship for the payday. Not sure how much they "need the money".

            azgreg

            Do you know what Viraj Madappa, Phachara Khongwatmai, Jinichiro Kozuma all have in common? They all beat Phil Mickelson this week.

            That's because Phil bet $50 grand on himself to lose.

            garyt1957 Because they know they'll go play in the US if they don't listen. Competition is a good thing.

            or they leave the US and play in the LIV...
            This is my point.