Sneakylong Just saying, no country/'people' has been proven to be able to cast stones, with clear conscience. Even The Vatican. 
So, what 'people' may do on their own, should never be a reflection of the country they rep, or go in to. Many, even from this forum, go in to countries that are suspect of heinous things.
LIV golf is currently on local free TV from Hamilton Ontario (CHCH)
Today I was able to find the actual LIV Golf feed on YouTube.
How come so few guys are under par?
Team Stinger kicking butt and taking names. Their players are currently first, second, third, and 11th.
For some inexplicable reason, there has been a vaguely jazzy song playing in the background through the entire broadcast. Weird.
They just put the camera on Oosthuizen off course, and the announcer says 'there's Branden Grace, currently in second place.... 'LOL
Sneakylong The former would be true if Elon Musk decided to start his own Golf Tour and compete with the PGA Tour. I would suspect the PGA Tour would react the same way.
Of course they would have. The "morality" issue is a smokescreen. The PGA had no problem issuing releases to play in the Saudi Invitational or their Pro-Am in the past (or other ME sites with questionable human rights reps). Their moral compass only became engaged when confronted by a competing league.
There may appear to be two issues at play here ... but I think that's only from an outsiders perspective (cultivated by PGA controlled, or dependent, media - aka "stooges" 
).
For the players jumping ship - yes, of course, it's all about the money (99.82%). But that was true for them when they joined the PGA as well. Were they all sellouts then, too, for not pursuing golf history as an amateur? Or staying on the Euro/Asian/whatever tour? I have no problem with their chasing money ... nor should the PGA, as that is behind their position/decision too.
I kind of wish, for curiosity alone, there were more names, and bigger names, than the 17 suspended - to weaken the PGA's stranglehold as the preeminent tour. Maybe that will happen eventually? But, IMO, nothing will change until then. The number and quality of player's they've lost so far are the equivalent of blowing the head off a mug of beer. 
DonM I think the Euro tour is really in a tough spot. They already seemed to be fading. They can’t afford to lose good players. So this new tour could hurt them badly. They almost have to allow the players to stay or join up, for their own survival.
I don’t know what degree of solidarity they have with the PGA Tour.
Seems they could steal the PGA Tour's thunder by allowing players to come and go. All the LIV players would then play on the Euro Tour to qualify for majors and even more PGA guys would jump for sure. The PGA Tour would be in dire straits.
Spuzz Working together to try and keep their members/employees happy and not suspending them because they took a my way or the highway approach. They even adjusted the rules to allow it (less required DP Events for eg.)
The only reason they did that is all their decent players would have jumped to the US tour where the money and prestige is. They didn't do it out of any caring for their players.
Spuzz Assuming that the "names" on that the banned list were intending to play, how does banning them help the Champions Tour, which is crying for "names" to spice up that tour?
The answer is, obviously, it does not help.
Ain't that the truth, the only time I bothered to watch a CT event was when Phil played in a couple when he turned 50. You talk about a Tour of nobodies? The big names make too much money now to need to play on the CT
Par4QC Keeping in mind, the players there really do not much like Americans. It's why you never see some of them come over. They have some very big names/multiple winners, that won't cross the ocean, even for the money here. I think that will play into any decisions as to letting these guys join up.
I really doubt dislike for Americans is why they're not coming over. Name me one DP Tour player who could move the needle that isn't playing here already. The ones who don't probably don't want to uproot their families. And may feel they can't contend.
DP World Tour Race to Dubai (06.06.2022)
#
NAME
NATIONALITY
POINTS
TOURNAMENTS
1.
McIlroy Rory
Northern Ireland
1979,1
4
2.
Hovland Viktor
Norway
1953,2
5
3.
Thomas Justin
USA
1946,3
3
4.
Zalatoris Will
USA
1702,8
3
5.
Pieters Thomas
Belgium
1645,2
7
6.
Fox Ryan
New Zealand
1299,4
10
7.
Larrazabal Pablo
Spain
1183,2
10
8.
Bland Richard
England
1060,7
9
9.
Meronk Adrian
Poland
972,8
12
10.
Arnaus Adria
Spain
970,5
11
11.
Smith Jordan
+2
England
932,5
11
12.
Lowry Shane
-1
Ireland
911,6
5
13.
Horsfield Sam
-1
England
906,3
5
14.
Hatton Tyrrell
England
839,8
5
15.
Bekker Oliver
South Africa
819,5
14
16.
Wu Ashun
China
808,6
13
17.
Sharma Shubhankar
India
796,5
10
18.
Perez Victor
+6
France
787,6
8
19.
Olesen Thorbjorn
-1
Denmark
787,3
10
20.
Cabrera-Bello Rafa
-1
Spain
740,2
6
21.
Fleetwood Tommy
+1
England
740,0
6
22.
Lawrence Thriston
-1
South Africa
733,2
14
23.
Morikawa Collin
-3
USA
713,8
5
24.
Otaegui Adrian
-1
Spain
689,1
12
25.
Samooja Kalle
+61
Finland
682,9
12
26.
Ferguson Ewen
-1
Scotland
627,4
12
27.
Long Hurly
Germany
609,7
13
28.
Harding Justin
-2
South Africa
600,2
10
29.
Fitzpatrick Matthew
-1
England
581,7
3
30.
Soderberg Sebastian
-1
Sweden
579,4
12
31.
Hanna Chase
-1
USA
565,9
14
32.
Power Seamus
-1
Ireland
555,3
3
33.
Fisher Ross
-1
England
540,5
13
34.
Norris Shaun
-1
South Africa
516,0
6
35.
Hojgaard Nicolai
-1
Denmark
505,6
10
36.
Scott Adam
-1
Australia
503,8
5
37.
Paul Yannik
+1
Germany
474,8
13
38.
Besseling Wil
+66
Netherlands
474,6
13
39.
Ancer Abraham
-3
Mexico
459,3
3
40.
du Plessis Hennie
-3
South Africa
Is he dead yet??? 
