Super League Predictions
Par4QC I think the Euro tour is really in a tough spot. They already seemed to be fading. They can’t afford to lose good players. So this new tour could hurt them badly. They almost have to allow the players to stay or join up, for their own survival.
I don’t know what degree of solidarity they have with the PGA Tour.
DonM I think the Euro tour is really in a tough spot
I disagree, and I already addressed this earlier.
About time a journalist caught up with a Spuzzmusing or two
LOL
The DP Tour is in a good spot.
They should carry on as is and allow their own members to play their own tour, whomever they may be.
They don't owe the PGA Tour anything. It might be the opposite.
Eguller My take is that they feed off each other
Only because the Euro Tour made compromises to allow their members to play BOTH tours.
Working together to try and keep their members/employees happy and not suspending them because they took a my way or the highway approach. They even adjusted the rules to allow it (less required DP Events for eg.)
This is why I would continue on as is, as the DP Tour has been consistent all along.
LIV may suck, but it should be treated as just another tour and as long as DP and PGA Tour members are fulfilling their membership obligations, I don't see why suspensions and fines are necessary. It's petty.
If LIV really sucks it will go away on its own. Even people that can afford to throw away money will stop doing it eventually. I’ll admit I don’t really have any interest in tours outside of the PGA and LPGA tours, but those are my “home” tours.
As far as the blood money goes, I don’t know Khashoggi or his activities enough to know why the leadership wanted him dead. Being a dissident shouldn’t be enough to get you killed, but it does in many parts of the world and is largely ignored.
Eguller might just be the problem
It is the problem.
How can the "best Tour to play golf on" have so many unhappy employees?
It is more complex now because the PGA has pandered to Tiger for so long, they don't have a plan B.
They played favourites for so long (letting him play when and where he wanted) and now they changed the rules to make the "stars" play in places they never played before or often, because they didn't want to.
I am guessing that's another part of the equation.
It's worked out for our Canadian Open, but I bet that's the exception.
The LIV Tour is for the over 40 guys (as I said before) and if losing those guys is what the PGA is afraid of, then they have a bigger problem than a half-assed exhibition tour stealing the limelight.
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DonM I think the Euro tour is really in a tough spot. They already seemed to be fading. They can’t afford to lose good players. So this new tour could hurt them badly. They almost have to allow the players to stay or join up, for their own survival.
I don’t know what degree of solidarity they have with the PGA Tour.
They very well could be in a tough spot. Possibly worse than the PGA Tour. They made an 'historic strategic alliance' with the PGA Tour last year. They can't afford to lose too many of their players. So far they've remained mostly silent on what if any action will be taken regarding players playing in LIV Golf events.
"The circuit, formerly known as the European Tour, has stayed silent through the LIV Golf drama but the PGA Tour finally took action yesterday afternoon.
They are in a "strategic alliance" with American tour but are yet to announce what disciplinary measures - if any - they will introduce."
In May they followed the PGA Tour and did block any releases for LIV Golf events. So the obvious question is what consequences will (if any) take place for those that went ahead with playing in LIV Golf tournaments.
Eguller I think those guys are now persona non grata for the PGA Tour Champions also.
Assuming that the "names" on that the banned list were intending to play, how does banning them help the Champions Tour, which is crying for "names" to spice up that tour?
The answer is, obviously, it does not help.
DonM Keeping in mind, the players there really do not much like Americans. It's why you never see some of them come over. They have some very big names/multiple winners, that won't cross the ocean, even for the money here. I think that will play into any decisions as to letting these guys join up.
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The PGA Champions Tour is administered as a branch of the PGA Tour. The suspensions across all of the PGA Tour umbrella of Tours makes perfect sense.
The persona non grata policy shows consistency and the seriousness of how they view the LIV threat.
Again, there’s two issues at play here. One is the threat to the PGA Tours survival as the preeminent Tour for professional golf. The other is the morality issue with who is backing LIV Golf.
The former would be true if Elon Musk decided to start his own Golf Tour and compete with the PGA Tour. I would suspect the PGA Tour would react the same way.
The latter is the reason that gets most of the attention and imo rightfully so. And the PGA Tour is lucky in that regard. Because they have a large chunk of public opinion on their side because of who is funding LIV Golf.
Sneakylong persona non grata
If anyone thinks that tag is hurting any of the players, they are not paying attention.
A lot of them have jumped ship and will reap a fortune, that they would never see on the PGA, or any other Tour. And, they do not have to play very often, be away from home. After all, it is 'just a job' for them, if you've done much reading about the players/listened to them yap.
If they manage their money, they do not have to manage their game. Last is 120K + they can play like crap for 54 holes and still be a part of the winning team, that will further line their accounts. 'New school' is not coming for fame/history, they are coming for money/financial stability, for life. As long as they don't go all dopey, and start hiring agents/accountants/etc., they will make a literal fortune in just 1 year.
Then again, I think very basic as to what would set up my life, if I were 1 of them. But even now, $1M should be able to set up even your grandkids, for life.
Sneakylong of who is funding LIV Golf.
Hell, the PGA could not exist, esp. as a 'non-profit', if it were not for the U.S. gvt.. In a way, they are backing the PGA.
Is there much difference?
Blind eyes, and such things??