PA-PLAYA

There's a bigger issue here. Sexual assault cases on campuses are in the news more these days. Jameis Winston's case comes to mind (The Hunting Ground). The Penn State / Syracuse sex scandals were huge stories also. What they all have in common is sports programs like football are huge money makers for these schools and the 'indiscretions' of these players and coaches are held to a different standard because of this.

Peyton's sexual assault incident was known as #27 in Tennessee. It's a problem that goes above and beyond securing a legacy of a famous football player that may not be that well deserved.

      Sneakylong

      You and a few others seem to think I'm completely oblivious to what goes on. I'm not. I have two kids in college, I've got a pretty good idea of what goes on today. For that matter - I have a pretty good idea of what has gone on at college campuses over the past 20+ years. And I can promise you that far worse has gone on since then than a female trainer getting mooned in a men's locker room.

      Again, you want to cite one side of the story. Her side. You're not interested in hearing the other side. You're not interested in trying to understand why I, and others like me, refuse to smear a guy for something that he was already smeared by 20 years ago, and quite possibly - wrongly accused. This was reported. It was in the news. It was settled. And furthermore - if people don't remember it - maybe it wasn't anything worth remembering in the first place.

      So go ahead - continue circling Manning's wagon, Deputy Sneak. Continue your life's goal of smearing the rival of your personal Golden Boy Brady, under the pathetic guise of suddenly feeling obliged to champion the cause for real victims at these institutions who have truly been violated and harassed, those who aren't looking for some sort of lucrative payout but want justice.

      Again - show me the history, a pattern, something other than a one-sided belief that Manning is (in your mind) this egregious serial sex offender.

      Until then, envision whatever you have to say about Manning going through my left ear and out the right, because that's precisely what is happening.

          Sneakylong
          An affidavit signed by Naughright in 1996 concerning the ’96 incident describes Manning as behaving in a gross and offensive manner, but does not describe Manning as making any physical contact with her:

          “He pulled his pants down and exposed himself to me, as I was bent over examining his foot after asking me personal questions. I reported this to my supervisor, who referred to it as ‘merely a prank,' and no action was taken in regard to this until after I formally complained.”

          However, in her statement of facts filed on Oct. 15, 2003, she asserted that Manning had made contact with his “naked butt and rectum.” That is where the information you posted comes from, the 2003 document. It's her side of the story, which she apparently changed in 2003.

          So I have to agree with Pa-Playa that you are only interested in accepting one questionable version of the story, (quite possibly fabricated to "stick it" to Manning as their feud escalated), as truth because the goal is to smear the rival of the guy you have on a pedestal.

              PA-PLAYA

              You're giving me too much credit. Your hyperbolic comments (life's goal) are funny though. I must admit that people who got their drawers in knot over Deflatgate and our now dismissing Manning's sexual assault is perplexing. Let's see, low air pressure in footballs and a sexual assault. One's a joke and the other is serious.

              Again, it's back in the news not because of me, but because of the Title 9 lawsuit at Tennessee. And again, the only reason case # 27 is back in the news is because he happens to be a famous athlete.

                I'm not sure what's more disconcerting; your inability to objectively look at allegations and real, actionable evidence and note the potential differences, or the real possibility that you've actually served on Jury Duty at some point.

                  PA-PLAYA

                  You admitted you made up your mind on Deflatgate (Brady's guilt) based on your take on the information you looked at. I concluded something different. We all take the information and process that and come to an opinion. You and I can disagree on what we conclude, but it is an opinion. I've got an opinion on Manning and the HGH story as well as the sexual assault case at Tennessee. You may not like my opinion and tell me I'm jumping to conclusions, but I could argue the same with you on Brady. Opinions are subjective by nature.

                  Anyway, here's Christine Brennan's latest article on these issues regarding Manning. Regardless of where you come down, there are serious questions about Peyton's character. My opinion is there has been a concerted effort to protect players behavior like Manning. There's too much money involved all around to be otherwise.

                  http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/brennan/2016/02/17/peyton-manning/80477446/

                  I have served on a jury and was the first to voice my concern about the most serious charge (aggravated assault). I initially got 2 others to join me and eventually got all 6 of us to go with the lesser charge (improper display of a weapon) which the defense attorney argued for. In the Manning case it's a court of public opinion. Big difference.

                  Concluding you know things about someone based on an internet forum discussion is practicing what you're accusing me of doing with Manning .

                  BTW I could not serve on a jury regarding the HGH and sexual assault cases. Using the information I've seen I've come to an opinion, Guilty. Just as you could not serve on a jury regarding Deflategate.

                  We are both just a voice in the court of public opinion. The only difference is you're a little more self righteous in your opinion while attacking a different opinion (insert smiley faced emoji here).

                    MidwayJ

                    What if the guy (Malcolm Saxon) who Peyton says he was mooning wrote a letter to Peyton imploring him to come clean and do the right thing and tell the truth. Would that have some sway in who is telling the truth here between Peyton Manning and Dr. Naughright? Saxon says he told the truth and lost his eligibility for it. The letter in it's entirety is in the Dead Spin article.

                    "Once Rollo came up with the idea that it was mooning intended for Malcolm Saxon, the narrative goes, “Manning adopted that term with a vengeance.”

                    "The 2003 document also includes a letter from Saxon to Manning, saying, “I stuck to the truth, and I lost my eligibility for it.”

                        Sneakylong
                        That provides evidence that what happened was more than her seeing him moon Saxon. However, it does says nothing about whether he made physical contact with her, which she did not herself allege in 1996.

                            Sneak, I've got no bone to pick with you. I'm sure you're a good fella. I'll just respectfully disagree with your opinion and leave it at that.

                            Whether Manning is a great guy or a douche bag ain't impacting how much I admired the way he played football. I could also say the same thing about Tom Brady. Frankly - they're both Hall of Famers and what either of them did or didn't do in their personal lives, founded or unfounded, doesn't change the impact they had on the game.

                            I've given Brady his due on numerous occasions. Maybe it's time you let your guard down just long enough to recognize what his rival has done throughout his career to be mentioned in the same sentence with him.

                            This shit ain't that important to me!

                            Peace.

                              PA-PLAYA

                              Scott,

                              You have a way of replying without losing your train of thought while still being inundated by endless Tripe. I am enamored of your self-control.

                              Bravo

                                  PA-PLAYA

                                  I think Peyton has had a great hall of fame career. My issue as you know is in the huge disparity in how the media and people in general went after Brady and gave Peyton a pass on the HGH and now want to do the same (dismiss it) with the sexual assault. Obvious media bias and double standard IMO.

                                  If these two allegations were against Brady there would be non stop media coverage.

                                      MidwayJ

                                      The point is Saxon wants Peyton to "come clean", "tell the truth". The mooning Saxon was a made up story. Peyton latching on to this (made up) mooning garbage tells more about his credibility than it does about Dr. Naughright's.

                                        FauxAmish

                                        Take the tutu off and put the pom poms down. Cheerleading from the peanut gallery adds little.

                                          Sneakylong I think Peyton has had a great hall of fame career. My issue as you know is in the huge disparity in how the media and people in general went after Brady and gave Peyton a pass on the HGH and now want to do the same (dismiss it) with the sexual assault. Obvious media bias and double standard IMO.

                                          If these two allegations were against Brady there would be non stop media coverage.

                                          The media, in general, all report with bias. I wonder why they think it's more fun to hate Brady...............

                                              I think this revelation is a game changer: Naught right called sexual assault center day of incident. ESPN is all over this. Her words that day lend credibility to her allegations.

                                                Toulon

                                                I heard this as well. Very telling IMO.

                                                I think what we're seeing in the media as well as with some here is the painting of Manning as the victim. Even the Sports Reporters on ESPN had that take. Tampa Bay Times Sports columnists Tom Jones called them out on this in Sundays paper.

                                                I think with the HGH story as well as the sexual assault case it all ensures that Peyton will retire. It will be interesting if any of his sponsors drop him.

                                                  Not looking good for Peyton that's for sure. Gotta believe those on the fence have jumped off against him now. He does have quite the PR machine especially with Ari Fleischer working for him now. The Packers used him not long ago.

                                                  I had no clue what to believe but now if you asked me to bet, I'd put my money on his guilt. That Manning family is something. I still can't believe Eli didn't get hammered more for his San Diego stunt orchestrated by Archie. Always Teflon and immune from everything. Might finally be changing.

                                                  sdandrea1

                                                  http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/21/roger-goodell-new-england-patriots-nfl-draft-picks-combine-preview

                                                  One reason would be because it's fun to try to take down a winner, especially if the thinking is they've won because of nefarious doings. Peter King now says that Goodell should give the draft picks back and gives the details of why he thinks that. Even one NFL team exec said the punishment was draconian.

                                                  Peyton was the media darling coming out of college being the number 1 pick etc.. That hasn't changed much over the years. Sixth round draft pick Brady threw a monkey wrench into what Manning could've achieved.

                                                  It's complicated and would probably take a psychologist to try to explain it.