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sdandrea1 · 2021-09-27T12:40:17+00:00

Last night's Packers v 49ers OMG.

Sneakylong

garyt1957

It has a lot to do with the luck of the draw also. High draft quarterbacks go to shitty teams. Imagine Tom Brady going to a lousy team. On the flip side imagine a quarterback like Archie Manning going to a good team.

Sneakylong

professor

We part ways here. Lol. Eli Manning is a close call. But I’d put him in. On the Tyree catch the Patriots pass rush had him dead to rights, literally had him by his shirt tail. But he escaped and made an iconic play.

The Manningham catch was great as well. Nick Foles is a no go. Lol Had Belichick swallowed his pride and put Malcolm Butler in for just one of the late 3rd and longs the Patriots would have another Super Bowl.

professor

Sneakylong We part ways here. Lol. Eli Manning is a close call. But I’d put him in. On the Tyree catch the Patriots pass rush had him dead to rights, literally had him by his shirt tail. But he escaped and made an iconic play.

Parting ways is much healthier when the topic is football.
Tyree gets at least half the credit for that catch!
My comment about Foles was a joke. His moment came and he got it done! Awesome! Never qualifies for HOF consideration.

Sneakylong

professor

That Super Bowl is a tough one for Patriot fans. Belichick’s stubbornness was indefensible. Since losing Brady he’s been exposed. I used to think it was 80-20 Brady. I’m up to 90-10 now.

Another bone head move by Belichick was having Matt Patricia as offensive coordinator last year. A real head scratcher.🙄

Sneakylong

azgreg

Like to see the Patriots pick up Colt McCoy. Always liked him. At 36 he’d be a good backup for New England.

azgreg

Sneakylong
His arm is dead. It's time for him to start his coaching career.

professor

Sneakylong ...Matt Patricia as offensive coordinator last year. A real head scratcher.

And now he's fulfilling some sort of function with the Eagles... Hoping that's a positive!

Sneakylong

Zappe cleared waivers and is back on the Patriots practice squad.

ode

garyt1957 peeked at his numbers...3 monster years and a bunch of mediocre years, but when you look at the totals they are a bit eye popping.....but they aren't that much better than Eli's less the TD/Int ratio. Hmmm, it's actually a good comparison! I think if one thought about who was the better QB most would say Stafford, but the numbers are close. Eli never had a monster year but amassed some solid numbers with several decent years. Biggest difference is being on many good teams and Stafford not so much. If one is questioning Eli's HOF resume, best question Stafford's!

garyt1957

ode If one is questioning Eli's HOF resume, best question Stafford's!

I definitely didn't think Stafford was Hall worthy although I knew the numbers alone would get him in. Now that he has a Super Bowl, he's a lock. He amassed a ton of yards because the Lions were always behind and teams would go into the prevent D and let the Lions run up and down the field.
He's a good QB but unlike a guy like Brady or Rodgers who amassed their stats for winning teams I was just never overly impressed. Tough guy though, I'll give him that.

Ack8236

johnnydoom There's little doubt in my mind that Calvin Johnson and Barry Sanders may very well have been the greatest receiver and running back in NFL history, but if Detroit fans could have won one Super Bowl in each of their era's by trading them for other players would they have wished they did?

Stafford had a TON of support from Lions fans, it felt like we won a Super Bowl by proxy. Johnson and Sanders had a ton of...sympathy, for being stuck on the Lions. I'm sure they would have the same support had they gone to another team. Tough call to win a Super Bowl by trading those guys, they are immensely popular and well liked. Being a Lions fan, not ever even being IN a Super Bowl is sort of a badge of honor, but they'd probably trade a win for those guys.

professor

Ack8236 we won a Super Bowl by proxy

Well, that's an interesting concept. LOL

Bravopilot

johnnydoom Is this coming from an Ole Miss background? Eli is just not that good in the NFL. Remove a couple of minutes from 2 Super Bowls, he would be 0-2. Granted, beating Brady counts for something. But not HOF.

johnnydoom

Bravopilot Nope. I'm a University of Memphis fan, and now a Mississippi State fan since my boy goes there. Didn't watch Eli play much in either college or the pros. He was good when his team was good, and not good when his team was not good. You just don't get that many starts if your team thinks you're holding them back. Lots of fans may not think much of him, and yes he did throw a lot of interceptions, but he obviously had the respect of his team and his coaches and when they got to the Super Bowl he helped them seal the deal. Did he just get lucky or have teammates and coaches that pulled him over the line? I don't think so. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and perception - mine is that he was a great QB and a proven winner. Still at number 10 all-time in both total completion yardage and passing touchdowns. In comparison, he played two more games than John Elway and threw for 5,000+ more yards, 66 more touchdowns, and only threw 18 more interceptions in winning the same number of Super Bowls.

MartinD

johnnydoom Still at number 10 all-time in both total completion yardage and passing touchdowns. In comparison, he played two more games than John Elway and threw for 5,000+ more yards, 66 more touchdowns, and only threw 18 more interceptions in winning the same number of Super Bowls.

The statistics look better, yes, but don't take into account the changes to the game - it was much easier for quarterbacks to rack up yardage and touchdowns in the 2010s than it was in the 1990s. (Has anyone come up with a way of adjusting football statistics to take account of the playing conditions at the time? I'm thinking of something along the lines of wRC+ and ERA+ in baseball, which both compare a player's performance against league average.)

azgreg

johnnydoom and now a Mississippi State fan

We're kicking your ass next week!
🙂

ode

johnnydoom John Elway

😳.....different eras. It's not a good case for Eli being in the hall to compare his numbers to Elway's. Eli could not hold John's jock.

Sarnella

I remember a game when the Vikings intercepted Eli 5 times.😜

sdandrea1

Sarnella remember a game when the Vikings intercepted Eli 5 times.

How many picks did Cousins throw? 😉🤣

rsvman2

sdandrea1 Cousins could do volume interceptions with the best of them, for sure. Especially when he played for the Skins. He got better over time, but in the beginning I think the coaches had to keep reminding what color his teammates jerseys were because he completed so many passes to the guys wearing the wrong colors.

johnnydoom

MartinD it was much easier for quarterbacks to rack up yardage and touchdowns in the 2010s than it was in the 1990s.

Generally true - with Dan Marino being the lone exception. However, in those top 10's, only Tom Brady has more Super Bowl wins than Eli.

I don't think Eli will make the HOF. His play was overshadowed by his own brother (who actually was carried to one of his Super Bowl wins), Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers and possibly more. But I think he deserves strong consideration given that his team won the big one both times they had a chance, and both times against the most successful team in NFL history.

sdandrea1

johnnydoom only Tom Brady has more Super Bowl wins than Eli.

You mean Peyton, right?

HybridWood

sdandrea1 You mean Peyton, right?

Giphy - Glasses Why Dont We Have Both GIF by nounish ⌐◨-◨

sdandrea1

rsvman2 I think the coaches had to keep reminding what color his teammates jerseys were because he completed so many passes to the guys wearing the wrong colors

Giphy - Cracking Up Lol GIF

johnnydoom

azgreg Y’all might very well. Everything will be different under the new coach. We do have an experienced team though.

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