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garyt1957

Would that be (with a 12 gram weight) the new Cobra F7 driver that will be out in mid January? That driver has 3 weight ports (two 2 gram weights and a 12 gram weight). You can move the 12 gram weight front, back or heel to change the ball flight from lower, higher and draw. I'll be demoing it when it comes out.

Still own the Amp Cell and Bio Cell and have both set to max loft for most closed face angle, but would like to be able to have the ability to move the weight to the heel for more draw bias help.

      All things being equal moving weight around on modern drivers works. Now a lousy swing can certainly counter act this to a certain degree which is why for many years I have been saying to fitters that you can't properly fit this type player. They must have a semblance of a repeating swing.

        Sneakylong

        No actually looking at an old Callaway Razr Fit Extreme. I like that the face can be opened 2.5 and with the 12 gram weight in the toe hope for a fade machine.

          Just copy the Triton....seems to be getting a lot of press....

          Oh, make sure u let the usga in on it! Hahaha

            Bangoman Gary a 10 to14 gram sliding weight is going to influence ball flight.

            I think someone else who I won't mention said 40g. 😉

                Rickochet

                Ridiculous! Yeah, I use to put 40 strips of lead tape on the toe for that soft fade! LOL

                  Rickochet

                  Who said it? Initials will be good enough. If it is who I think it is....I will let you in on something you may have overlooked.

                      Bangoman Who said it? Initials will be good enough. If it is who I think it is....I will let you in on something you may have overlooked.

                      Spuzz 😛

                          Bangoman
                          Now a lousy swing can certainly counter act this to a certain degree which is why for many years I have been saying to fitters that you can't properly fit this type player. They must have a semblance of a repeating swing.

                          I almost got the ban hammer in FGI a few years back for suggesting this concept in a thread. I threw it out for discussion that club fitting was somewhat wasted on higher handicap players. Just recalling. 😉

                              sdandrea1

                              Steve...I was banned silently from fitters buying Geek because they thought I was not defending their position concerning their sales. T hey know you and I are correct they just won't admit it. It was a fitting organization. Not all...but quite a few.

                                  Bangoman That's different! Now I agree!

                                  Actually, it wasn't Spuzz. I just tossed that in for a chuckle. If I wanted to name the person that posted the info mentioned I would have done it in that thread.

                                      Bangoman Steve...I was banned silently from fitters buying Geek because they thought I was not defending their position concerning their sales. T hey know you and I are correct they just won't admit it. It was a fitting organization. Not all...but quite a few.

                                      So many truths about this game that become apparent via age and experience. It wasn't that long ago that I could not wait for the new models of everything to come out thinking they were better. I no longer ho around because I think a club is going to help my game. I know I can adapt to whatever is in my bag and shoot to my ability eventually with them because my game is basically find the fairway, advance the ball toward the green (sometimes on the green) and then chip and putt for par or bogey. From the shorter tees I can reach more GIR and land a birdie now and then, but I play to an 11 hdcp with these basics and my drives only go 190 - 200 yds. . I ho clubs now out of boredom and nostalgia. As I age, I become more attracted to older stuff and still believe that the Eye 2 irons were the best design to come from Karsten Solheim. The equipment selling industry peddles so much bullshit (no offense intended) about how much the newer stuff is going to improve your game and it is so exaggerated. Sooner or later, most of the golfers I play with will or have realized that they can play well and enjoy this awesome game with clubs from nearly any era.

                                        Agree with Uncle Steve. However, I have noticed that the better the player, the more the moving
                                        weights, etc. matter for fine tuning. Also, if you move a 12g with from the heel to toe, there is
                                        effectively an apparent 24g change noted. The more you 'let the club do the work', the larger the difference.
                                        JMHO.

                                          Eguller

                                          Yeah, don't get me wrong. I believe that anyone with a solid repeating swing can be helped by getting their stuff tweaked in to optimize their game. I just think that fitting is sometimes oversold, like TMAG marketing. 😉

                                              sdandrea1 Yeah, don't get me wrong. I believe that anyone with a solid repeating swing can be helped by getting their stuff tweaked in to optimize their game. I just think that fitting is sometimes oversold, like TMAG marketing.

                                              I had passed the stage of totally sold on the fitting to like your thinking and now I think it is a case by case with the individual.
                                              You are correct that the mass golfers believing in the numbers, the statistic and the launch monitors. I guess it's for certain "good for their heads " but whether it'll make a noticeable impact for their golf game is totally "by individual case".
                                              One thing a fitter overlook is that we're not dealing with Iron Byron. A human body's condition changes day to day and minute by minute. It'll even be different after a big meal..... hence no cheese burger at the half way house.

                                              I think for some, the correct basic fitting from the get go will benefit their golf game; whether the fitting will be worth the investment is totally on the depth of expectation.
                                              Flex, length of shaft and lie angle for the irons will promote a correct golf swing without the golfer compensating too much at the beginning of the learning.
                                              Don't believe me ? Take a look at the beautiful golf swing of Fred Couples. Pretty in the sense of the seemingly ease of execution. Very up right ( ruined his back prematurely ). My take is the habit was formed when he was using adult sized golf club at a younger age, the up right swing plane was to compensate for the lie angle to produce a good ball trajectory / flight.
                                              Anytime a golfer's swing does not need to compensate because of the ill fitted equipment, the longer the golfer could enjoy this game in health.

                                              I did, observe a lot of the fitters and pros..... fitting golfers for the only reason of bottom line. Most of the guys in the business are honest, the few bad apples are common with any trade under the Sun.

                                                If you have something that is an actual improvement, bring it on. If its another dual face, bladder filled with gas, specialty grooves, you the nominal bull shit that you have to hype because you know it impacts the real outcome by less than 2%, don't waste the time/$ to produce it. IMO, if you are building components in this day in age, what you bring out had better be GREAT, not really really good, let alone just good, there is a market filled with that already and people do it cheap. If you aren't feeling ready to prove you can take out TM, Callaway, Cobra, etc, don't bother. If you can't PROVE your stuff is better, don't bother. I'm not coming out to buy your new $200 head and have to go find another $150 shaft to put it all together with to try to see if it works. That's not the market now. There are a ton of adapters that allow for super fast shaft swaps, at demo days where you can dial in the combo you like and go. Best part, you can even tweak it once you buy it without specialty equipment. So you have that to overcome, do it big or don't do it.