My wedges have FGS Vision + shafts in them and I think they're great. Haven't tried any of the FGS shafts for woods so it's good to hear you guys like them (in case I should ever decide to buy more clubs some day šŸ‘€).

Jelopster with GW prices rising, is DTG the new (old) go-to for components?

I have a high opinion of their FGS shafts (obviously). Their club components are all clones (except for their own DTG designs) so you won't get as many original designs as Golfworks offers. I've used the Turner heads and the DTG heads in builds for customers looking to keep the price down and the quality was good. You're not going to get Golfworks-level quality or design tech at DTG, but you will get good values. My $.02

      sdandrea1 Yeah. Iā€™ve had a set of their single length, some of their wedges, and one of their illegal Felon driver. Everything was playable. I think of DTG as stuff for projects that you wanna just try out for cheap

        So when I was playing the g400 max the regular Alta was an unplayable complete noodle. I switched to the ping 65 tour shaft and the club felt super heavy. Iā€™m guessing the counter balanced shafts are key? Anyways after about $500 into that club I moved on I didnā€™t want to keep throwing hundred dollar bills at it til I found a keeper.

        sdandrea1 Par4QC

        Yes, but am I moving the heavier mass at the same speed as the 50g shaft? šŸ¤”

        Ok, do you remember me talking about ā€œmuscle activationā€? You guys might think you donā€™t have any muscle but you doā€¦ you keep active, you work on your shop, Steve is out doing yard work at the church etcā€¦

        So what happens is when you have a heavier shaft /club, your brain has your bigger muscles take overā€¦ because youā€™ve been active your whole life and you still do physical work. You end up swinging it faster. If the club is too light, your brain doesnā€™t tell your larger, more powerful muscles to engageā€¦ and you donā€™t swing as hard.

        The only reason I know this is I started researching it when I saw my numbers ( Sarnella is listening!) and consistency get
        better with a heavier iron shaft. Iā€™m slower with a 105 gram shaft than I am with a 115. With an 86 gram shaft I was all over the place and no faster than with the 115 too.

            Typhoon Good take!

            I also have no problem when going from a 54g. to a 68g. shaft. And at 47", it really ups the swing weight.

            And speaking of physical work.....my pecs are killing me from all this damn work I've been doing the past couple weeks! I'll prolly need XXL shirts this Spring. With ripped sleeves. šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£

                Par4QC Apparently you didn't. Momentum equals mass times the square of the velocity.

                  Ynotgolf I ditched mine and bought a bunch and here is what my results were.
                  Winner Loser
                  Ping G410 plus. Ping g400 max
                  Pxg gen 5. Ping g400 max
                  Ping g400 max. Pxg 0211
                  Sim 2 max beat them all.
                  Pxg 0211 straight shooter similar to the max but gets beaten on distance. The right shaft in a g400 max could possibly be top dog or just get lucky. Counter balanced shafts make that heavy head feel comfortable. When I switched out to a tour 65 it felt super heavy to me. The stock Alta in my g410 feels much more stable than the stock Alta I had in the max.

                    Typhoon

                    Makes sense. I had same success today with it. Club feels a little heavy, but I'm getting"through" the ball with it.