Spuzz There is that. I redid my Rogue irons with stiff flex, replacing R flex. A couple weeks ago, I built a new set of Acer XV Tour Blades with another set of those S flex shafts. Excellent; no moon balls and distance is better, from both sets.

    Weirfan What about using a stiffer shaft flex will lower your trajectory.
    A ball that spins less can also help.

    Also, moving the ball a tad back in your stance and or increasing your shaft lean will also help lower the flight.

    in an iron head design look for a narrow soled club and a more blade like head with minimal offset

    I will answer for him, just to see if candilly and I differ:

    1) I agree and said so,
    2) He doesn't use spinny balls
    3) This dillydog cannot be taught new tricks.
    4) He has some already. Two sets, I think.

    Par4QC

    That is basically my point.

    I used to be a low ball hitter until I started using lightweight shafts.
    In stiff flex, some shafts (FST 125 for ex) still go high, even for me.

    I am not sure there are many affordable shafts that are lightweight and lower flying in Reg flex. so some sort of compromise must be found, imo.
    Candilly uses lightweight flexible shafts and has a steep uppercut-ish swing, which equals moon balls.
    Not sure where he will find his compromise.

    My compromise is heavier shafts (127g-ish) but more flexible, but that still yields mid high traj for me and I can live with it. Keeps me on plane better, which is more important to me than distance.

    The cure is not necessarily in the shafts, been there, fought that. The real answer is probably trying to swing easy and flight the ball better, but that’s no fun either. The best approach is, hit it high, take advantage of it and forget convention. It will suck into the wind, but overall the advantage is on our side. Having to swing easy when it’s breezy (thanks CoachSB), is a better compromise that playing super spin killing rebar in heads you can hit or blades. Embrace the good, refuse to play on windy days, makes life easier.

    Lots of replies. Of course spuzzwad chimed in. 😊 He has been trying to get me into heavier shafts. I took his advice and use fst 115 S/X shafts in my blade like heads. Trimmed to S. They are not game improvement. Landing angle is high. I don't get a lot of rollout.
    I can hit a 7 higher than most people's 9, but I lose distance to the height. WInd really screws me up. Lofts on my irons are not jacked 9 is 40 degree and 4 degree increments.

      What Weirfan said about ball position and shaft lean. It sounds to me like a swing issue where you are flipping the club. No shaft or head is gonna be much help as you’ve found out.

      scotts33

      Yep...Without a swing change, look for high center of gravity iron heads. Caution - you may not like the 'feel'
      of them.

        Eguller Yep...Without a swing change, look for high center of gravity iron heads. Caution - you may not like the 'feel'
        of them.

        I play Alpha MB-V2's about 1/2 the time on Nippon 950GH's (noted higher launching shaft). Higher CG does keep ball in a lower trajectory. I don't find the "feel" that much different than a CB iron. The other 1/2 of the time I play Alpha VX irons a hot face which launch higher on FST Pro 115's also higher launching.

        BTW if a permanent fix is what OP is seeking it's a swing fix to stop flipping and resulting added loft.

        toraider Would have thought "move to blades" would have been the first response. Those sure look nice Scott.

        Old time lofts that work for me fine.

        candukid Lofts on my irons are not jacked 9 is 40 degree and 4 degree increments.

        2 deg. jacked compared to average modern lofts 46 deg. PW.

          Why would anyone want roll on iron shots?

          toraider Spuzz recommends these

          LOL
          DGS300 and these:

          or take up fishing since he's already good at casting...
          😉

          candukid Of course spuzzwad chimed in

          naturally
          and there is nothing new here that I haven't already told you, especially the swing issue comments.
          and Toraider's LOL

          Blades with Hump steel shafts. I think ballflight is mainly your swing though. I have always had a tendency to release early and I can take a 6i up over trees that my buddies can't dream about flying. It is a real struggle on windy days.

          scotts33

          Doesn’t moving the moi in newer clubs negate that ? No matter blade or modern head the peak height stays constant at around 30 yards for me and Trackman anyway.

          Hope Candukid is good with Blades!

            Typhoon Hope Candukid is good with Blades

            He's actually not bad with his Swing Science 200's, aside from the lightweight graphite he has in them
            (hence my advice to switch out to heavier shafts after he hit my 6 iron on a Par 3 that was on the green and didn't join his first ball in the water to the right. LOL)

              The surest easy solution is lower lofts in heads that aren't low COG.

              The best solution is to stop flipping. 🙂 But I know that's hard. I fixed my flip during an off season a few years ago. You can't hardly fix it while hitting balls. The presence of the ball short circuits all of your good intentions. So no balls, just swings at a spot on the carpet. Being sure to strike the carpet after the aim spot. It will get easier as you go. A few swings every day, all winter. By spring when you finally hit a ball, you won't believe what has happened.

              I sure hope that someone, anyone, takes my advice on this before I die. I'm 62, so there's hope.