What Weirfan said about ball position and shaft lean. It sounds to me like a swing issue where you are flipping the club. No shaft or head is gonna be much help as you’ve found out.

scotts33

Yep...Without a swing change, look for high center of gravity iron heads. Caution - you may not like the 'feel'
of them.

    Eguller Yep...Without a swing change, look for high center of gravity iron heads. Caution - you may not like the 'feel'
    of them.

    I play Alpha MB-V2's about 1/2 the time on Nippon 950GH's (noted higher launching shaft). Higher CG does keep ball in a lower trajectory. I don't find the "feel" that much different than a CB iron. The other 1/2 of the time I play Alpha VX irons a hot face which launch higher on FST Pro 115's also higher launching.

    BTW if a permanent fix is what OP is seeking it's a swing fix to stop flipping and resulting added loft.

    toraider Would have thought "move to blades" would have been the first response. Those sure look nice Scott.

    Old time lofts that work for me fine.

    candukid Lofts on my irons are not jacked 9 is 40 degree and 4 degree increments.

    2 deg. jacked compared to average modern lofts 46 deg. PW.

      Why would anyone want roll on iron shots?

      toraider Spuzz recommends these

      LOL
      DGS300 and these:

      or take up fishing since he's already good at casting...
      😉

      candukid Of course spuzzwad chimed in

      naturally
      and there is nothing new here that I haven't already told you, especially the swing issue comments.
      and Toraider's LOL

      Blades with Hump steel shafts. I think ballflight is mainly your swing though. I have always had a tendency to release early and I can take a 6i up over trees that my buddies can't dream about flying. It is a real struggle on windy days.

      scotts33

      Doesn’t moving the moi in newer clubs negate that ? No matter blade or modern head the peak height stays constant at around 30 yards for me and Trackman anyway.

      Hope Candukid is good with Blades!

        Typhoon Hope Candukid is good with Blades

        He's actually not bad with his Swing Science 200's, aside from the lightweight graphite he has in them
        (hence my advice to switch out to heavier shafts after he hit my 6 iron on a Par 3 that was on the green and didn't join his first ball in the water to the right. LOL)

          The surest easy solution is lower lofts in heads that aren't low COG.

          The best solution is to stop flipping. 🙂 But I know that's hard. I fixed my flip during an off season a few years ago. You can't hardly fix it while hitting balls. The presence of the ball short circuits all of your good intentions. So no balls, just swings at a spot on the carpet. Being sure to strike the carpet after the aim spot. It will get easier as you go. A few swings every day, all winter. By spring when you finally hit a ball, you won't believe what has happened.

          I sure hope that someone, anyone, takes my advice on this before I die. I'm 62, so there's hope.

            DonM A few swings every day, all winter. By spring.......you will need to replace your carpet. 😂

              LogicalOne
              Surprisingly no. At least not on the carpet I was using. I did move around some too. But there are workarounds obviously.

              DonM The best solution is to stop flipping.

              How to stop flipping. Best way bar none. Most golfers have never felt the correct way the wrists work in the golf swing. ( Flexion, ulnar deviation, supination) I guarantee you won't flip after using the Impact Snap religiously. Also cures a whole myriad of swing issues.

              Don't know anything about swings, or much about clubs and shafts for that matter. I can only describe my own experience knowing that my swing, at least when on, hasn't changed much in 20 years. 20 years ago I was playing Wilson Gooseneck Staff blades with DGR400 shafts and my stock iron shots were a boring and very controllable trajectory. I liked those shafts enough, that I built component sets with forged cavity backs and the same Dynamic Gold R400 shafts, and both of those launch the ball on a notably higher trajectory. I don't know how much difference the shaft makes since I didn't put different shafts in any of these heads, but the blades definitely went significantly lower with the shafts than the cavity backs do. The cavity backs were TP Forged that I bought from LowProGolf, and Alpha C1 Pro irons that I bought used in the FGI swap shop.

              DonM
              i have tried. I will take your advice and start swinging in the living room. I had some success today moving the ball way back in my stance but did hit a couple thin. And yes i can clear tall trees with a 6 iron also.

                Spuzz
                S800 forged. Not the 200.
                sheesh.
                my current gamers are the DTG PI-25 with FST 115. Don’t want to go any heavier in shaft weight. I can hit the 7 About 145 if I catch it clean.