Faldo Tee/Peg PGA Tour

scotts33 · 2020-04-28T14:38:07+00:00

I like it. 😃 https://www.golf.com/gear/2020/04/27/nick-faldo-ban-tees-reduce-driver-distance/

garyt1957

scotts33 USGA/R&A won't reel the ball back so this suggestion by Faldo makes sense for PGA pro tour. We'll see 285 out of a 3 wood but not 300+. Might bring back some of the old great courses that they ball/driver has taken out of consideration?

Why punish guys because they're good? Taking a club away that's been so important through the history of the game seems really dumb to me. Some people think putting is too important in golf. Let's take away putters and make them chip it in the hole. Bad analogy, but you get my drift.

scotts33

garyt1957 Why punish guys because they're good? Taking a club away that's been so important through the history of the game seems really dumb to me. Some people think putting is too important in golf. Let's take away putters and make them chip it in the hole. Bad analogy, but you get my drift.

Just a thought and topic. A new topic instead of the old . 😀

johnnydoom

I think the idea makes as much sense as anything else if applied only to the professionals.

garyt1957

scotts33 Just a thought and topic. A new topic instead of the old . 😀

Nice to have an actual golf topic to chime in on for a change. But I don't agree with Nick. Is it usually the short hitters who are always trying to cut back distance? Nicklaus would be an exception.

Spuzz

Rickochet Most of the pros can still kill a fairway wood off of the deck.

No COR/CT limit either...

scotts33

Spuzz No COR/CT limit either...

If they/PGA actually tested them more would be banned from use as did the R&A in last years Open. What were there a number of them and someone leaked the players name that they banned. Forget how that went down. They took a number of over the limit drivers out of play.

scotts33

garyt1957 I was going to comment on that too. I thought maybe this is a really old article. 10.5 is common now on tour.

McIlroy's 2020 TMAG Sim is 9*. He's probably the best driver of the ball on the PGA. Rory hits his 3 wood 285.

garyt1957

scotts33 Nobody said they're all at 10.5, but 9 is nowhere near 6*

scotts33

garyt1957 Nobody said they're all at 10.5, but 9 is nowhere near 6*

Rory's driver in 2017: TaylorMade 2017 M2 (8.5 degrees at 8.25 degrees). See the trend Gary. It's the design of the face of the M5/M6 then the Sim.

garyt1957

scotts33 If they/PGA actually tested them more would be banned from use as did the R&A in last years Open. What were there a number of them and someone leaked the players name that they banned. Forget how that went down. They took a number of over the limit drivers out of play.

I think he means no COR on 3 woods. They don't test them, correct? I guess they figure it's hard to get over COR on such asmall head.

Spuzz

scotts33
I was speaking of the 3 woods.
The USGA would eventually have to change the rule if the pros started ditching drivers, I assume.
Distance would still be priority 1 for these guys so no tee would mean they ditch driver, imo, and join Stenson.
Stenson would be saying "knulla mig katten är ur väskan nu"

garyt1957

scotts33 In the article Faldo says back in the day with persimmon there were 10 great drivers of the ball not every PGA pro. Now there are 10 poor drivers of the ball. I think that was Faldo's point.

But that's with persimmon and balata. The balata ball was probably more responsible then the persimmon. He's not suggesting we go back to balata so I don't think smaller drivers will make much difference for pros.

garyt1957

scotts33 Rory's driver in 2017: TaylorMade 2017 M2 (8.5 degrees at 8.25 degrees). See the trend Gary. It's the design of the face of the M5/M6 then the Sim.

?? Right so now he's up to 9. So the trend is more loft, again no one is going towards 6

ode

Banning tees, yeah baby, yeah

Spuzz

ode
You wanna translate your post for fauxamish?

Weirfan

Rickochet

I highly doubt that gutta percha balls are returning any time soon so that isn't a logical option.

Banning the driver is an option.
3 wood distance stats compiled by Trackman show on average 3 wood carry distance is 32 yards less than the driver. IMO, This would be an ideal reduction to apply to the field although I believe that a tour ball would be the choice over no tee if it came down to it. No tee would by far be the easiest, simplest and most immediate change

Spuzz

Weirfan
Assuming that the pros would not lengthen their 3 woods, which would, in theory, close the distance gap between driver and 3 wood in the stats posted.
They would also practice more with them than they do today.
JMO

garyt1957

Weirfan 3 wood distance stats compiled by Trackman show on average 3 wood carry distance is 32 yards less than the driver.

I imagine if they had no driver they could close the gap between 3 wood and driver quite a bit. They're hitting 3 wood for accuracy now, if they needed it for more distance they'd go to lower lofted fairway woods with different designs for distance.

FauxAmish

Spuzz
You must not have seen my final reply in that thread. 🤣

ode

Spuzz lol, I read the other thread and now get it....two Austin Powers references in a day.....yeah baby! Mine was poking fun at "Sir" Nick.

garyt1957

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2016/11/29/drivers-used-pga-tour-players-averaged-300-yards-per-drive/

2016 27 golfers averaged over 300 yards:
8 hit 10.5* drivers
10 hit 9.5*
3 hit 9*
5 hit 8.5*
Bubba hit 8.25*

Weirfan

Spuzz

perhaps a rule maximizing length of the 3 wood like they have with the driver. Again, I don't see the no tee thing being adopted, while there might be idle talk, I don't even think there are any serious discussions taking place about changing the game to reduce distance ongoing so expect status quo for the next 5-10 years at least

Weirfan

garyt1957

Sure , one can also make the argument that pros aren't swinging full and for max distance many times with the driver either.

low lofted (13*) 3 woods already exist now...... hitting off the deck will never give the spin and launch variables and distances that off a tee does. Some guys will still hit it 300 off the deck with a 3 wood but they are the ones who routinely hit it 330+ with their driver .

I don't think the PGA will ever use Faldo's idea, but if reducing distances is a goal of the Associations and Tours, it would be a cheap and easy thing to do

garyt1957

Weirfan low lofted (13*) 3 woods already exist now.

I have no idea but I doubt many pros are using 13* 3 woods. They don't want their 3 wood going as far or close to their driver. But if they had no driver they would. Then you'd see a change. Probably even 12* fairway drivers, etc. They'd cut that 32 yard gap somehow.