Faldo Tee/Peg PGA Tour

scotts33

I like it. 😃 https://www.golf.com/gear/2020/04/27/nick-faldo-ban-tees-reduce-driver-distance/

garyt1957

scotts33 I could agree on cutting back driver size somewhat. But do the pros really mishit their drivers that much? Would hurt ams way more if it's a universal rule.
As for getting rid of tees, that's just dumb. You don't want everybody hitting 3 wood off the tee box area. Maybe limiting tees in size would work so you can't tee it way up there . Would probably also lead to guys hitting smaller drivers cause you'd hit it too low on the face with a deep face driver.

Par4QC

scotts33 I've not seen this ever be a hindrance to Laura Davies. She's never used a tee, 'peg'. Haven't kept track of her distances, but I've never noticed her to be short. I have seen her duff a couple, though. Faldo must not be paying much attention when he's watching golf. When these guys pull out a 3 wd. and still hit over 300 off the tee, and 280+ off the turf, I'm considering him to be just another idiot. Consider how they got so good with driver....practice. What will they do if they are not allowed tees or drivers, using 3 woods only??……...practice. And still be just as long. In reality, they will be even longer considering how straight they might be.

Weirfan

Its a simple solution that would work

Rickochet

Weirfan Its a simple solution that would work

So would gutta perch balls, or just ban the driver. Most of the pros can still kill a fairway wood off of the deck.

Spuzz

Rickochet Most of the pros can still kill a fairway wood off of the deck.

No COR/CT limit either...

Weirfan

Rickochet

I highly doubt that gutta percha balls are returning any time soon so that isn't a logical option.

Banning the driver is an option.
3 wood distance stats compiled by Trackman show on average 3 wood carry distance is 32 yards less than the driver. IMO, This would be an ideal reduction to apply to the field although I believe that a tour ball would be the choice over no tee if it came down to it. No tee would by far be the easiest, simplest and most immediate change

Typhoon

He’s high. He also says near the end of the article that it’ll stop guys from using 6sgree drivers and opt for a 9 degree because they’ll need more loft. What the fuck is wrong with him? Other than maybe Bryson, who uses 6 degrees? A lot of the guys are at 10.5. This guy probably doesn’t wear a mask to the grocery store either.

garyt1957

Typhoon He’s high. He also says near the end of the article that it’ll stop guys from using 6sgree drivers and opt for a 9 degree because they’ll need more loft. What the fuck is wrong with him? Other than maybe Bryson, who uses 6 degrees? A lot of the guys are at 10.5. This guy probably does wear a mask to the grocery store either.

I was going to comment on that too. I thought maybe this is a really old article. 10.5 is common now on tour.

scotts33

garyt1957 I could agree on cutting back driver size somewhat. But do the pros really mishit their drivers that much?

In the article Faldo says back in the day with persimmon there were 10 great drivers of the ball not every PGA pro. Now there are 10 poor drivers of the ball. I think that was Faldo's point.

scotts33

USGA/R&A won't reel the ball back so this suggestion by Faldo makes sense for PGA pro tour. We'll see 285 out of a 3 wood but not 300+. Might bring back some of the old great courses that they ball/driver has taken out of consideration?

garyt1957

scotts33 USGA/R&A won't reel the ball back so this suggestion by Faldo makes sense for PGA pro tour. We'll see 285 out of a 3 wood but not 300+. Might bring back some of the old great courses that they ball/driver has taken out of consideration?

Why punish guys because they're good? Taking a club away that's been so important through the history of the game seems really dumb to me. Some people think putting is too important in golf. Let's take away putters and make them chip it in the hole. Bad analogy, but you get my drift.

scotts33

garyt1957 I was going to comment on that too. I thought maybe this is a really old article. 10.5 is common now on tour.

McIlroy's 2020 TMAG Sim is 9*. He's probably the best driver of the ball on the PGA. Rory hits his 3 wood 285.

garyt1957

scotts33 In the article Faldo says back in the day with persimmon there were 10 great drivers of the ball not every PGA pro. Now there are 10 poor drivers of the ball. I think that was Faldo's point.

But that's with persimmon and balata. The balata ball was probably more responsible then the persimmon. He's not suggesting we go back to balata so I don't think smaller drivers will make much difference for pros.

scotts33

garyt1957 Why punish guys because they're good? Taking a club away that's been so important through the history of the game seems really dumb to me. Some people think putting is too important in golf. Let's take away putters and make them chip it in the hole. Bad analogy, but you get my drift.

Just a thought and topic. A new topic instead of the old . 😀

johnnydoom

I think the idea makes as much sense as anything else if applied only to the professionals.

garyt1957

scotts33 Just a thought and topic. A new topic instead of the old . 😀

Nice to have an actual golf topic to chime in on for a change. But I don't agree with Nick. Is it usually the short hitters who are always trying to cut back distance? Nicklaus would be an exception.

scotts33

Spuzz No COR/CT limit either...

If they/PGA actually tested them more would be banned from use as did the R&A in last years Open. What were there a number of them and someone leaked the players name that they banned. Forget how that went down. They took a number of over the limit drivers out of play.

garyt1957

scotts33 Nobody said they're all at 10.5, but 9 is nowhere near 6*

scotts33

garyt1957 Nobody said they're all at 10.5, but 9 is nowhere near 6*

Rory's driver in 2017: TaylorMade 2017 M2 (8.5 degrees at 8.25 degrees). See the trend Gary. It's the design of the face of the M5/M6 then the Sim.

garyt1957

scotts33 If they/PGA actually tested them more would be banned from use as did the R&A in last years Open. What were there a number of them and someone leaked the players name that they banned. Forget how that went down. They took a number of over the limit drivers out of play.

I think he means no COR on 3 woods. They don't test them, correct? I guess they figure it's hard to get over COR on such asmall head.

Spuzz

scotts33
I was speaking of the 3 woods.
The USGA would eventually have to change the rule if the pros started ditching drivers, I assume.
Distance would still be priority 1 for these guys so no tee would mean they ditch driver, imo, and join Stenson.
Stenson would be saying "knulla mig katten är ur väskan nu"

garyt1957

scotts33 Rory's driver in 2017: TaylorMade 2017 M2 (8.5 degrees at 8.25 degrees). See the trend Gary. It's the design of the face of the M5/M6 then the Sim.

?? Right so now he's up to 9. So the trend is more loft, again no one is going towards 6