colej I got the ping on some holes and the maltby in others

Do tell. What are the feel and sound differences ? The Maltby CT250 had a unique sound.

      Eguller

      the Ping has a much more metallic sound than the maltby. Both feel solid but the maltby having that solid thwack sound the feel is better than the ping.

        colej Just now seeing this. I just got the Epic Flash very late last season and got 1 round on it. I did have to install the shaft in the adapter and I just set everything neutral. Didn't even realize what I had in my hands, until I looked at it after I posted here. As far as I know, this is the 1st adapter that let's a spined shaft stay in the same position, regardless of setting.(??) Nice deal!

            Par4QC

            yep and as far as I know, all the other companies are turning the entire shaft to get any changes in face angle or loft.

              Why is it only available in one loft, 9 degrees?

              • ode replied to this.

                ode Only if you want to hit a fade. It's 9 degrees with a square face.

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                    pellmell I was gonna tell ya NOT to pay attention to the chart.....it's FUBAR (beyond FUBAR).....read the question/answer section (on the GW site) the below the specs....it's the only driver with an adapter that gets more closed with less loft and more open with more loft.....here are the various explanations given (🤮)-

                    "As I said before the chart is not listing the face angle. It is listing the direction the adaptor is rotated to create the listed loft angle. If we were listing face angles for this driver the loft would always be 10*."

                    and-

                    "What is listed here is what we have always referred to as Effective Loft. The lofts are listed with the face in a square position. The Face Angles listed here are the amount and direction the face had to be rotated in the different settings to get the clubface to a square position. The measurements listed are the actual measurements with the club mounted in a Golf Club Gauge."

                    and

                    "I have passed along your suggestion for including the face angle changes in the chart. I will email you a chart where I have added the face angle changes. One thing to keep in mind when this driver is set into the Neutral setting which is 10* loft, 59* lie and 1* open face angle the 1* open face angle is built into the clubhead and not being created by the adaptor. The changes are referenced from that standard."

                    I still don't know what the actual lofts and f.a. are as they have not changed the chart yet. Bottom line is lower loft = the most open and highest loft = the most closed (relative to the most open/lowest loft setting). The last explanation (in this post) explains the loft and f.a. in the neutral setting as 10* and 1.0* open, what the rest of the chart means is a crap shoot when reading his explanations. I have posted a question asking him to email me the corrected chart/face angles! I will post when I get it.

                        ode

                        That's how all the other OEM driver adjustments work so I would imagine the maltby is the same way - colej, can you confirm this?

                            Nevermind....they posted the ? and Jim emailed me the chart, I'll post when I get some time later.

                              ode

                              you should’ve gave them the middle finger and the thumbs down lol

                                shokosugi

                                I would think Chad is correct but Jim keeps going back to that the chart displays what the adapter is doing not face angle???

                                • KCee replied to this.

                                    colej It's strange reading Jim Y's responses to pretty much the same question. He seems to be saying the face angle will not be open for the most loft, but that the adapter will be rotated to the open position? Not sure I follow that, but I don't have this head to play with.

                                      Jim emailed me the chart...I will post later when I get some time.

                                      ode

                                      If I am interpreting this correctly, the only square face angle is 9* loft....right ?

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                                          Eguller

                                          Yes.

                                          It's still a head scratcher to me, but me thinks it's time not worry about it and buy if you like the way it looks!

                                              ode
                                              The settings should make it fun to experiment if nothing else....lol

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                                                ode I wonder if each head is a bit different with respect to face angle and loft any way. I had a Cally XR16 driver and even in the closed setting it always looked pretty open to me. The fitter I used checked the head and found it was 3* open in the square setting and so still 2* open in the closed setting. Loft was pretty close to the marked 10.5* IIRC.

                                                    KCee There is a HUGE difference between each different head. The tolerances that manufacturers will accept is what it all comes down to. There were a lot of people in the early 2000's losing their minds when they would get a TM head that was 4 or more degrees off from what it was stamped, almost ALWAYS higher in loft, which ironically as they tightened specs, they had a loft up campaign.. shocking I know.

                                                    The reason so many people will hit a club at demo days, kill it, order one and can't come close to duplicating it is the tolerance issue. Even at +-1 degree may mean the club you hit at demo days that said it was a 10, might have been an 11, with a 1* closed face angle and lets say for shits and gigs, it had a 246cpm shaft. You order that exact same combo you were htting, but without getting it precisely measured, you may get a 9 degree head that sits a 1 degree open and a shaft that cycles out a 252cpm and has a completely different flo orientation than what you hit. Oh and now we change the shaft orientation via an adapter and really screw up the shaft performance. So much fun.

                                                    Moral of the story, you find the one you like, act like its a woman, take that one home, her identical looking sister will never quite do it for you.