The Masters spoiler

darpar · 2018-04-05T00:15:36+00:00

This has the potential to be one of the best Masters in a while (but they're all pretty special), with the likes of the young guys Fowler,Spieth,Thomas etc....

johnnydoom

Sneakylong With Winston the media was reporting a direct accusation of sexual assault levied by a potential victim of a crime being committed and whose name we know, and a suggestion that local government authorities may have attempted to cover it up to protect a local hero. A publicly funded institution, Florida State University, paid the accuser $950,000 to settle the case.

With Patrick Reed we have a tale about second and third hand accounts that some unnamed person thinks he might have tried to cheat and steal.

One has some elements of news and one is gossip.

johnnydoom

Sneakylong This has nothing to do with the thought police or censorship. It about the crap quality of what passes for news stories these days and the meaningless smearing of reputations for entertainment and profits.

meagain

Seems like an appropriate place for this:

rsvman

meagain That's strange.

On my computer, your post consists of the words "Seems like an appropriate place for this:" and then there is absolutely nothing else. Just a big blank space.

Seems like an appropriate place for nothing??

johnnydoom

rsvman There is a meme of "The View" women with a statement that millions of people actually consider them to be their news source.

Ack8236

Hmmm, I only see a picture of a troll.

Sneakylong

If you did around a little it seems there's more there than just gossip.

http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/patrick-reed-responds-cheating-theft-claims

“While getting to know Patrick through the recruiting process as a coach, a few character issues came to light, that we as coaches thought we could help Patrick with. Once Patrick was on campus for a few months, it became clear that Patrick was not going to mesh with the make up of the team at that time, and he was dismissed from the team. There is no doubting the ability of Patrick as a golfer, it was Patrick as a person that we chose not to associate with. The story that has been reported by Shane Ryan is an accurate account of his college career at UGA—including the suspicions held by his former teammates.”

"Reed is a long way from achieving his goal of a retraction from Ryan. And it seems as though there are plenty of people (namely Reed’s former teammates) willing to help solidify the accuracy of Ryan’s reporting."

There's enough smoke in Reed's case to be news. Reed's teammates and coaches obviously had their suspicions about Reed's behavior. Enough to give him the boot. Like it or not that is news.

PA-PLAYA

Sneakylong

It seems to me like there are a lot of f***ing jealous people.

Patrick Reed is the 2018 Masters Champion, despite the clicks from whatever teenage allegations pop up from the blogosphere. Has never been caught up in a rules scandal while on tour. Hasn't slept with another tour player's wife, not that we know of. Hasn't tested positive for PEDS, hasn't been pulled over for driving under the influence of prescription drugs in the dark haze of a bender after consuming alcohol, hasn't been sentenced to several months of time-off for a drug/alcohol dependency (like DJ was, which was never given a second thought by the media, despite the suspicions that he had a substance abuse problem that was overlooked in lieu of a "jet ski" incident that sidelined him for several months). Seems to conduct himself professionally and take his career seriously. Seems content in his life now with his new family and his career. And maybe, just maybe, the possibility that his parents hated his girlfriend and did everything they could to influence his decision to not get married, to continue controlling his life, is precisely why they watched from 3 miles away Sunday evening instead of being welcomed there by him and his wife.

Hate away. The more you hate, the more I want this chubby, unlikable son-of-a-bitch to win the f***ing US Open just to piss you guys off even more.

Sneakylong

PA-PLAYA

Where did you read that I hate Reed? I believe I said I'm basically ambivalent. However, his history is news and should be reported.

"The story that has been reported by Shane Ryan is an accurate account of his college career at UGA—including the suspicions held by his former teammates.”

johnnydoom

In my world suspicions don't count as facts. Particularly suspicions from people that didn't like him and might have been jealous that he led his new team to two national championships. When Wie gets Reed's former teammates to actually present some evidence then come back. "seems as though" is not a very good substitute for actual substantiation.

PA-PLAYA

johnnydoom

She's a f***ing clinger-on blogger who gets her "news" from second and third-hand reports and has never been one to let a controversial topic pass her blog by, even if it has been partially made up or baseless.

It's like I said in this thread and another thread - bloggers have turned into journalists, which is why there is no longer any true integrity in the profession. It's all become about character assassination when something happens that they weren't wanting to happen.

And they rely on the uninformed to earn a living based on internet clicks, which is why people "quote them" when these topics come up from time to time.

rsvman

johnnydoom Not just his old teammates. Even the teammates at his NEW team hated his guts. Wanted him to lose his match even to the detriment of their own team.

Sneakylong

johnnydoom

Where's the facts that prove Winston sexually assaulted a girl in college. He was never charged, so it's a he said / she said. FSU admitted no guilt in the settlement. Same with Reed. You have allegations of cheating and theft by his teammates. A coach substantiated the team mates claims. So, it's basically a they said / he said.

The fact that there are more than one teammate accusing Reed makes that claim more credible IMO.

In both cases you have allegations that are not proven. IMO they're both news worthy.

Put all the allegations aside. Is Reed getting the boot from Georgia news or should that get buried as well. I mean it is a fact that he did get tossed from Georgia.

And if it is news isn't the reason behind his getting the boot a news story?

PA-PLAYA

Sneakylong

My response is two posts above. Explain to me one thing Reed has been accused of as an adult that would reflect negatively during his professional career.

Grab your shovel and start digging.

PA-PLAYA

“In both cases you have allegations that are not proven. IMO they're both news worthy.”

LMFAO.

Thank you! 😘

Sneakylong

PA-PLAYA

And in Winston's case you have an Uber driver making an accusation of sexual assault. That's a he said / she said with no charges filed. Nothing proven. But the NFL is investigating. So in your world that's off limits. Just gossip, nothing to see here. Move on. That's extremely naïve and ridiculous.

And again, you go off on a tangent making accusations that I hate Reed. The debate here is not whether I hate Reed, but whether or not the accusations of cheating and theft brought by his teammates and him getting the boot from Georgia is news.

I say yes and you say no.

PA-PLAYA

Sneakylong

Right. Because what he allegedly did back when he was a teenager has no bearing on his professional career almost a decade later.

Unless you’re into that whole character assassination thing and happen to be a potential closeted fake news consumer.

Again, my post above that starts out talking about jealous people.

It’s irrefutable.

Sneakylong

PA-PLAYA

We just have different opinions on what is fair game.

I think his college career is fair game. The fact that he was kicked off the Georgia golf team and the reasons why is fair game IMO.

We have the NFL draft coming up. Character issues of college players are fair game and reported on. Reed's college days are no different.

Not sure what you consider fake news. If you're referring to the Faux News channel rest assured I don't watch that. 😉

johnnydoom

A public institution paid out $950,000 dollars. That is news. A woman, who identified herself, came forward with an allegation of assault. It can be proven that she made the allegation whether or not the allegation is true. That is news.

A journalist giving a second hand account that unnamed teammate(s) believe someone might have done something wrong is not substantiated. There are no names to directly corroborate the accusation, and there is no direct evidence to substantiate the claim. It is not news, it is gossip. Unnamed teammates on either team hated his guts is not news, it is gossip. When one of the teammates decides to come forward and say directly to a journalist, "My name is ..., and I hate Patrick Reed for this reason ..." then it is news. When a blogger cites a 5 year old story that only contains hearsay and does not name names directly, and makes no attempt to get direct statements from people that were known to be on the teams, it is a continuation of gossip without any desire to try and report facts.

PA-PLAYA

johnnydoom

Case closed.

As dear ol Verne would say in the tower at the 16th, “Yes Sir!”

Sneakylong

johnnydoom

Anonymous sources are used all the time in reporting. However, here we have an assistant coach verifying Reed's teammates issues with Reed. The coach used his name confirming this and that is documented. That teammates say he cheated, stole and was a low character guy. And he was kicked off the golf team. Reed admitted alcohol issues and cites this as the reason he was kicked off the team.

Holding journalism to your standards we'd never learn anything. Are you also upset that an anonymous poll taken of Reed's peers has him as the second most disliked behind Bubba? Is that news? Should that not be reported? How about the anonymous poll awhile back that showed Rickie Fowler as the most underrated? Fair game or off limits?

I think we've hashed this to death. We disagree on what is fair game to be reported on by the media. I think what many are upset about is that this was brought back up after he won the Masters.

And I didn't know much about this before now myself. I knew Reed had issues at college, but knew few details. The fact that he was thrust into the national spotlight brought all this up again. I think that's fair game, but I realize many don't.

Spuzz

None of Reed's past is news anymore.
It's not relevant to today. He's not on trial for anything.
Winston comparison is bogus, imo.
His indiscretions and character were analyzed leading up the NFL Draft then and it was "news" at the time.
It would not be news now if he wasn't in more trouble today.
Reed has done nothing today.
Bringing up his past on his crowning achievement is an attempt to discredit him due to a personal bias.

I don't recall last year's headline of "former cup spitter wins Masters" or the like
or former accused on course cheater and eventual tourny winner Stewart Cink's wife has breast cancer"
or former shady character and improper drop cheater Tiger Woods attempts Masters comeback etc

There's many ways to present a story and the Reed story was BS.

MidwayJ

Spuzz

Thanks for posting this. After reading through all these posts about Reed, this sums up my thoughts. I could not have said it better.

The other disturbing thing is the unwillingness to accept that people can change, even when transgressions occur at a very young age. There's this mentality that once a black mark from the past is revealed, we decide the person is a d-bag, period. Sad.

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