Ok, tried that Vokey 60/04 yesterday. It was windy as hell at first, then calmed down later. Lies around the greens are tighter than a blind manβs bunghole at a weenie roast. I really, really suck chipping and pitching on these lies. The only good shots I hit were when I slightly opened the face. Everything else dug in. Ball forward, ball back, didnβt matter. I brought along my Cleveland 54/10, same thing. I guess I just need to practice til I figure something out.