Another club-building question - grip weight's affect on swingweight

sdandrea1 · 2017-11-29T21:57:41+00:00

Soooooo, I like to dry-fit everything before expoxying so I can use internal weights vs lead tape to achieve swingweight goals. I also like to use midsize G...

sdandrea1

puttnfool why would you alter tip trimming instead of simply adding 4g of head weight to bring it back up to spec?

I wouldn't alter tip trimming. I mostly use tip weights to get a standard/linear weight difference between heads (7 grams) or to try to bring them as close to mfg specs as possible.

ronin74

Adding 4g of mass is much easier than nibbling a few mm off the tip of the shaft. So I agree with your thinking.
When I was writing my response, I had in mind the idea of a hypothetical set of hybrids that were created lighter to increase swingspeed and distance as a design feature rather than tolerance variances.

puttnfool

ronin74 Makes sense. I have an old original Jackaroo 15° (1 iron hybrid) that I cut to 6i length. I could hit stingers for days and it's great for recovery shots under trees, etc., but it feels like it's shafted on a piece of rebar. Come to think of it, I'm not sure why... I know I didn't build it initially that length. I'm sure it was built/trimmed to normal 1i length to begin. Maybe I'll tinker with it one day to see what I can do with it.

ronin74

I was distracted and lost my train of thought. I wouldn't trim more for too light a head, ever. I should have commented about altering the trim a few mm

ode

the only time I've noticed a significant difference in the feel of the club based on grip weight was using the DTG super oversize grips they have that are a competitor to the jumbo max.....these weighed in over 100g and it was def noticeable.....but from 50 to 60 nope.....most grips I play range from 59 (mids pure) to 78 (OS lamkin).....don't notice it. Seems counterintuitive to me to add more headweight just to get the SW scale to read the same as with the lighter grip, as total weight will now be significantly different then with the club with the lighter grip and lighter headweight.....no way those.clubs will feel.the same.

DC300

I wouldn’t bother adjusting the SW to change the grip, but I do prefer the feel of more weight in my hands, it helps me stay on plane better, so I just use big, heavy, Tackimac Unified grips at the moment. I almost refuse to use anything under 70g because I want more of the heft at the grip end vs the head.

bad9

I sw match ungripped to E0 for my personal clubs and don't worry about what the scale says after the club is gripped . I typically use 52g grips on my clubs.

sdandrea1

bad9

That's interesting. 2nd person to say that (In all my research). How did you come to select E0? You figure 50 grams is worth 8 SW points, getting you back to D2?

bad9

sdandrea1 My method goes way back to the old Shoptalk email listserv forum. Several respected clubmakers mentioned that is how they did it. After I got my first custom set of clubs I cut one of the grips off and measured the sw and have been matching to that number ever since. I have found I can play clubs anywhere from c9-d2 without noticing any feel difference and performance doesn't change at all.

sdandrea1

bad9

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Nordique

I would not worry about SW. You would be much better off if they were MOI matched.
Easy to do especially if you have not put up the clubs yet. If you'd like I can send you an excel spread sheet. All you need is a good scale to measure shaft weight and head weight.
Grip weight has very little impact on MOI and 10 grams won't make any difference.

If interested read this post by Tom Wishon:
http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1561658-how-important-is-pureingspine-aligning/pagest90#entry16486308

sdandrea1

Nordique If you'd like I can send you an excel spread sheet. All you need is a good scale to measure shaft weight and head weight.

I would love the spreadsheet. Thanks for the offer! dandreasteve @ gmail . com

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Rickochet

Steve here is a good SW calculator. You can vary the grip weight to determine what your SW will be.

http://www.leaderboard.com/SWINGWEIGHT?LEVER=725&LUNITS=10&WEIGHT=419

LBlack14

What is swing weight?

ZWExton

LBlack14 I think it's the max limit of the heft of a married couple you'll engage in wife-swapping with?

Spuzz

LBlack14 What is swing weight?

http://www.leaderboard.com/GLOSSARY_SWINGWEIGHT

accufitgolf

Golf Pride Tour Wrap
43g Undersize
48g Standard
58g Mid
73g Jumbo

Weight difference will not only effect swingweight but at 30g difference, playing characteristics will change. Do not poo poo grip weight.

puttnfool

accufitgolf I agree totally, but I think the chances of someone going from Undersize to Jumbo in one fell swoop are slim to none. Chances are, the undersized grip is being used by a lady or junior. The junior will eventually grow out of it and need a standard size grip, but 5g is "nothing" when talking grips so it should be no big deal. It's quite possible that the same (once junior) could end up needing a midsize grip on down the line, but this would likely be some time after he moved up to a standard grip and the 10g shouldn't be too much of a hurdle. The biggest jump would be midsize to jumbo, but even that is only 15g.

So, all in all, it should be a nonexistent "problem" for all but the tiniest percentage of golfers.

Rickochet

The biggest jump would be midsize to jumbo, but even that is only 15g.

Maybe not as far as weight. I play Winn Excel jumbos that are 47g. Going from 66g Avon jumbos to 47g took a bit of adjustment but after a bit of play I can't tell the diff. And that might have even been a mental issue thinking that they should feel different so I thought at first that they did.

puttnfool

Rickochet I was just speaking to the weights that he posted. Going from one group brand/style to another is a whole different scenario.

Rickochet

puttnfool I was just speaking to the weights that he posted. Going from one group brand/style to another is a whole different scenario.

I agree. I was just adding regarding size that bigger doesn't necessarily mean heavier.

Weirfan

Steve, wouldnt worry about a few swingweight points at all. Especially if its weight at the grip end. Many people use back weighting , they dont increase the head weight to compensate for that extra back end weight or the club would likely be rendered unolayable. Tim Hewitt used to say that he can build a sledgehammer to D2 what does that mean ?

Swingweight is really a consequence of assembly of the component parts. Get the flex correct and let swingweight fall where it may. I agree with the above poster, if you a trying to replicate feel MOI might be the way to go.

If it turns out you simply cant get comfortable with it then lead tape is your friend

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