garyt1957 Wow, you're the first person I've heard say that. It's actually a very well made filament wound shaft with a fairly stiff tip section, so you do need to have a slightly higher swing speed to use them. They're definitely not the right shaft for someone who is a slow swinger or needs help getting the ball up in the air. I've built countless full sets of irons as well as individual hybrids with these shafts for many different customers and have never had a complaint. In fact just the opposite, people go out of their way to let me know how much they love the shafts.