What struck me was how crooked were we off the tee back then? I guess growing up in the wooden driver era if you didn’t hit driver straight… you weren’t going to find another one more forgiving. I don’t even think forgiving was a word back then associated with drivers. I used a 3 wood until I was in my 20’s and tried a Wilson Graphite Whale driver.

    Eguller Ummmmmm What? hahaha

    I have never been a fan of MOI since I believe it was Nike perhaps that started that bullshit train rolling.

    Wishon jumped on it pretty quickly if I recall, but when I was at the factory that produced the MOI measuring machines, they told me that he had only purchased two units.

    Of course, you can listen to this "salesman" or, whatever his real job was before he dabbled in clubmaking.

    Personally, I think this video is beyond terrible and past ridiculous. At the 5 minute mark, nothing he said makes sense or is actually good information.

    Other than that, the chatter about MOI died quickly after it's inception. Of course, maybe someone just took it out behind the barn and shot it. No loss.

      Par4QC

      No, the 455DB has a horizontal MOI that's close to 4k, the maximum alowed by the USGA is 5900. 10k is a combined horizontal and vertical MOI.

      Typhoon I used a 4 iron off the tee for the longest time. When I finally went for a fitting the guy made me a KZG PFT 300 12* maybe 44" with a 85g Apache shaft. Loved that club!

      Seems to me the Wishon 919 was rated pretty high back in the day. They were good drivers.
      What about the Wishon 9590L?
      I still have one at 10.5* with
      a regular flex UST V2 shaft??

      Par4QC Were the 455DB heads around 2K?

      Pretty sure around 3700-3900. I remember when the square Sasquatch came out advertising 5000, Wishon already had the normal shaped 949 MC out that was 4700. so right there. Pretty sure they measure different now, hence the 10K.

      edit: As Pell Mell posted: No, the 455DB has a horizontal MOI that's close to 4k, the maximum alowed by the USGA is 5900. 10k is a combined horizontal and vertical MOI.

        garyt1957 Of course, my Q was in jest.
        I don't care about those numbers as they are meaningless. The 455 was a great head, still is, and when I've used them, they have been about as long and as forgiving as anything new today. To say they were not/are not forgiving is to say you've never used one.

        But people will argue this point forever.......'gotta have the numbers'.....bullshit. How do you know those numbers are what they say? How do they help our pathetic swings?

        Only number from a driver head, that matters, is when the ball stops after you hit it. The number any OEM tells you about a head, is meaningless.

        But let's all of us (??)200 yd. hitters worry about the MOI of a head.

        The only 'K' I want from a driver head is $K. And that ain't happening.😄

          SMT Well damn. I did learn something from that vid, right at the start......MOI is what head twisting is all about.

          And all these years I thought that was the shaft.
          Now shaft torque is meaningless. Why do they mention it in specs?

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            Par4QC Well damn. I did learn something from that vid, right at the start...

            I wanna say "me too", but I have been at it too long.

            What some SHOULD learn is that people who need to talk that much are tryin' to sell something.

              Lol, I see we moved on to the third MOI.

              SMT people who need to talk that much are tryin' to sell something.

              Can you tell what a damned hard sell I must be?🤣

                Par4QC Can you tell what a damned hard sell I must be?🤣

                You are a softie, pushover - by the way, I have a 15K MOI driver head you’ll love. 🥴

                  Eguller
                  I'll let ya know.

                  Right now I'm working on the formula for the latitude & longitude of this driver head I have.
                  Trying to figure how long it will hit & if it stay clear of the lateral water hazards.

                  Maybe I should just lay up.🤔

                    Show me the drive that corrects the over the top, 3* closed at impact swing and I’ll give a rats ass. Until then, they are all going left when I miss. Unless something is going to automatically widen the landing area, a miss is a miss.

                    For most goobers out there is over the top and 5* open at impact, so either way you look at it, to tell me it will twist less when you miss by 1/4 of an inch on an acceptable swing path… meh.

                    Par4QC laying up is telling the course designer they are better than you, Jesus says that’s not true. Hit driver, you only get to loop this earth for so long.