https://www.golfchannel.com/news/dp-world-tour-not-set-punish-player-competing-liv-golf-events

"Some members asked me why we simply do not follow what the PGA Tour have done and immediately suspend these players,” Pelley’s memo to his constituency read. “While I understand the frustration, I remind you all that although we work closely with the PGA Tour, we are different organizations and our rules and regulations are therefore different too.”

Instead, Pelley said because of the “complexity of our situation,” he will evaluate how the LIV Golf and Asian Tour events impacted the DP World Tour events played the same weeks – the European Open and Scandinavian Mixed event. Pelley said the circuit will decide how to handle those who violated its policies on June 23, which is also the commitment deadline for the Scottish Open. The Scottish Open is co-sanctioned by the DP World Tour and PGA Tour."

Sneakylong Look at Steven Alker.

I have; an odd bloke, at best. Quite the hack with missing cuts, esp. the 1 year he missed every cut in 21 starts!!
Then the strange part of his history is the missing 2 years ,'17 &'18.
Seems unnatural.
But love his swing.

    Par4QC I have; an odd bloke, at best. Quite the hack with missing cuts, esp. the 1 year he missed every cut in 21 starts!!
    Then the strange part of his history is the missing 2 years ,'17 &'18.
    Seems unnatural.
    But love his swing.

    There's several of those type stories on The Champions Tour. Two of my favorites were Allen Doyle and Dana Quigley. Allen Doyle was an amateur who played on the winning Walker Cup team with Tiger at 46 years of age.

    Dana Quigley never won on the PGA Tour, but Monday morning qualified and went on to win 11 times on the Champions Tour. Made millions.

    Allen Doyle never won on the PGA Tour as well and won 11 times on the Champions Tour as well. He won the Charles Schwab Cup in 2001 and received a $1 million top prize.

    Doyle, Quigley and Jim Thorpe would play practice rounds together at the old Outback Pro Am in Lutz FL. We would follow them around during their practice round. Heard some great conversations between them.

    All three were nice guys in my experience. Had a nice conversation with Dana and his brother Billy (father of Brett Quigley) who caddied for him being both are from New England as we are.

    That's what the PGA Tour can offer. Oh and Brett Quigley never won on the PGA Tour either, but won millions in purses being a journeymen golfer.

    He's toiling on the Champions Tour now himself.

    "I remind you all that although we work closely with the PGA Tour, we are different organizations and our rules and regulations are therefore different too.”

    Looks like the iron clad PGA Tour/DP Tour strategic alliance is worth as much as any conscientious American Government/Native Indian Treaty was. LOL

    Who could have predicted that I wonder?
    Giphy - Face Smile GIF

    Sneakylong I think integrity is also not picking when you have integrity, ie buying Chinese goods while expressing outrage over golfers taking money from LIV. Oh that's right, that's " whataboutism ", lol

    MartinD I totally get your point. Again I ask who decides when enough is enough. Tiger is a billionaire. What if he decides he wants another 50 million dollar yacht? Who are we to say he shouldn't buy it? Should he not invest to make even more? Maybe for you and I a million would be plenty. Yes Elon Musk probably has more than enough.

      Sneakylong it would be pretty easy to just change the rule to include 54 hole events, if they're so inclined

      garyt1957 Again I ask who decides when enough is enough. Tiger is a billionaire.

      Let's not forget that the PGA is "a billionaire" too - but annually. In 2019 they made a $72,772,574 profit (after their 50 million in grants/contributions and 45 million in executive pay), but they also made $1,234,129,874 in Net Assets (no, I didn't omit a decimal point 🤪). No wonder it was so easy for them to fork over an extra 40 million in PIP money when LIV first threatened them - they probably found it between the couch cushions, or the inside pocket of an old suit coat.
      Where should the monetary balance be? Who needs who more? Every time I hear someone talk about "player greed" ... it sounds straight from 1970 Major League Baseball - as voiced by the League, the media, the fans, and even many/most players.

      Sneakylong Do you drink Coca-Cola? Do you use golf clubs made in China? Do you now, or have you ever worn Nike shoes or clothing?
      One could go on and on. Probably almost everybody in America is participating in blood money.

        rsvman2 Do you drink Coca-Cola? Do you use golf clubs made in China? Do you now, or have you ever worn Nike shoes or clothing?
        One could go on and on. Probably almost everybody in America is participating in blood money.

        No doubt. But, one can be as selective as possible about WHO to support with your $$$. If I could
        afford it, I buy Japanese forgings, etc. Own a Volvo, guess who the parent company is, etc.

        Oh....forgot to mention that i've never bought anything Nike. 🤨

        rsvman2

        Ok I’ll play whataboutism just this once. Yes I drink Coke (diet of course). Bought clubs assembled in China. Bought a Nike shirt. And let’s throw in I own an Apple phone.

        Do I like the fact that companies chase cheap labor around the world? No. Do I like that companies ignore human rights in countries they operate in? No.

        I also don’t like things our government does, but still choose to live here and exercise my right to protest. So given all that I’m supposed to give up my right to criticize what I find reprehensible?

        Using your criteria with the global economy none of us can criticize anything these countries do because everything is so embedded with everything else you have to be an absolutist consumer.

        That’s a heavy lift for the average person. Like many conscientious consumers I try and pick my battles. But getting back to your criteria, under your rules no one can criticize what another country does unless they’re pure as the driven snow in their consumerism.

        Now it’s my turn to play. I’ll keep it simple. This was asked by a media person at the press conference in London.

        Would you play in a golf tournament sponsored by Putin? And would you have played in South Africa back during apartheid? Where is your line?

        I would not and would not sign a contract with LIV Golf. Yes boycotting everything made in a country with a brutal authoritarian regime would be ideal. But not realistic in a global economy.

        But because that’s an impossible thing to achieve shouldn’t negate a person from voicing their opinion on important issues such a human rights.

          Sneakylong 🤨You are quite a selective 'buyer'.

          Where were your non-golf shirts made? Don't worry about phones, golf clubs, trivial things. Men do not sew.

          Don't get me wrong, I get pissed every time I go to buy shirts. 10 different damn countries, but not the U.S., and they are either drug cartel, pirate, or little girl worker countries. Of course, I'm not going to pay $60 just to get 1 shirt, when I want 5, either. But, I probably should, no more often than I buy any clothes. And they may even fit.

          Sneakylong I’m not going to venture down a political rabbit hole; I’ll just say, the beliefs of the Saudis don’t match mine, but I buy products everyday from Countries I hate and nobody seems to give a shit that the NBA salaries are largely funded by Chinese profits. So you can be as righteous as you want to be and if you really want, I’ll show you how you are no better than the guys taking money from these assholes.

          rsvman2

          You never answered my question. Where is your line? Do you have one? Care to share it? I assume since China makes medical equipment you feel that you can’t criticize China’s human rights? 😏

          Again, using your criteria no one can criticize anything unless they live like a monk. Sportswashing is nothing new. Hitler tried to do it in the 1936 Olympics.

          It was legitimately and rightfully criticized then as is the criticism legit with the Saudi’s doing it now. But I assume in 1936 if you owned anything made in Germany you had to keep your mouth shut.🙄

            Sneakylong I don't know what my line is. Nobody is ever going to be dangling millions of dollars in my face to do anything, so I will never have to make that decision.

            The only point I was trying to make is that it is almost impossible to live in the modern world without supporting horrible things in one way or the other. And that it strikes me as odd that people who never said anything about all that other stuff all of a sudden have a bee in their bonnet about this. That's all.

            A lot of talk about 'sport washing.' Not sure that's what is happening here, per se. First, I'm not sure the Saudis are all that worried about how they are perceived in the world. They have been villains for a long time, and everybody knows it. Why are they suddenly interested in how they look? And if they were interested in that, why choose a sport like golf, which is not really a very popular sport for watching anywhere in the world. Why not a soccer league? Or a baseball league? Or an American football league, or a basketball league. All of these sports have far more followers than golf. So if the whole point was to distract the world from their atrocities, why not do it with a popular sport?

              MartinD any individual

              IMO, FIPJAM is an exception....his issues with $/gambling are fairly well known.

              rsvman2 why not do it with a popular sport?

              They did. They own a UK soccer team I understand. By the way, their 'image' washing has been going
              on for several years with BS propaganda.