Par4QC So, what 'people' may do on their own, should never be a reflection of the country they rep, or go in to. Many, even from this forum, go in to countries that are suspect of heinous things.

Rex would be banned from Golfbuzz if some of his heinous activities came to light!๐Ÿคฃ

    LIV golf is currently on local free TV from Hamilton Ontario (CHCH)
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    Today I was able to find the actual LIV Golf feed on YouTube.
    How come so few guys are under par?

      Team Stinger kicking butt and taking names. Their players are currently first, second, third, and 11th.

      For some inexplicable reason, there has been a vaguely jazzy song playing in the background through the entire broadcast. Weird.

      They just put the camera on Oosthuizen off course, and the announcer says 'there's Branden Grace, currently in second place.... 'LOL

      azgreg I hope he goes shopping now. For pants that fit.
      'High water' pants went out long ago. and were only an 'accident' to begin with; not something deliberately worn.

        Sneakylong The former would be true if Elon Musk decided to start his own Golf Tour and compete with the PGA Tour. I would suspect the PGA Tour would react the same way.

        Of course they would have. The "morality" issue is a smokescreen. The PGA had no problem issuing releases to play in the Saudi Invitational or their Pro-Am in the past (or other ME sites with questionable human rights reps). Their moral compass only became engaged when confronted by a competing league.

        There may appear to be two issues at play here ... but I think that's only from an outsiders perspective (cultivated by PGA controlled, or dependent, media - aka "stooges" ๐Ÿ˜œ).

        For the players jumping ship - yes, of course, it's all about the money (99.82%). But that was true for them when they joined the PGA as well. Were they all sellouts then, too, for not pursuing golf history as an amateur? Or staying on the Euro/Asian/whatever tour? I have no problem with their chasing money ... nor should the PGA, as that is behind their position/decision too.

        I kind of wish, for curiosity alone, there were more names, and bigger names, than the 17 suspended - to weaken the PGA's stranglehold as the preeminent tour. Maybe that will happen eventually? But, IMO, nothing will change until then. The number and quality of player's they've lost so far are the equivalent of blowing the head off a mug of beer. ๐Ÿบ

        DonM I think the Euro tour is really in a tough spot. They already seemed to be fading. They canโ€™t afford to lose good players. So this new tour could hurt them badly. They almost have to allow the players to stay or join up, for their own survival.

        I donโ€™t know what degree of solidarity they have with the PGA Tour.

        Seems they could steal the PGA Tour's thunder by allowing players to come and go. All the LIV players would then play on the Euro Tour to qualify for majors and even more PGA guys would jump for sure. The PGA Tour would be in dire straits.

        Spuzz Working together to try and keep their members/employees happy and not suspending them because they took a my way or the highway approach. They even adjusted the rules to allow it (less required DP Events for eg.)

        The only reason they did that is all their decent players would have jumped to the US tour where the money and prestige is. They didn't do it out of any caring for their players.

          Par4QC They are back, and deliberately this time. Sorry to be the one to break the bad news.

            Spuzz Assuming that the "names" on that the banned list were intending to play, how does banning them help the Champions Tour, which is crying for "names" to spice up that tour?
            The answer is, obviously, it does not help.

            Ain't that the truth, the only time I bothered to watch a CT event was when Phil played in a couple when he turned 50. You talk about a Tour of nobodies? The big names make too much money now to need to play on the CT

            Par4QC Keeping in mind, the players there really do not much like Americans. It's why you never see some of them come over. They have some very big names/multiple winners, that won't cross the ocean, even for the money here. I think that will play into any decisions as to letting these guys join up.

            I really doubt dislike for Americans is why they're not coming over. Name me one DP Tour player who could move the needle that isn't playing here already. The ones who don't probably don't want to uproot their families. And may feel they can't contend.

            DP World Tour Race to Dubai (06.06.2022)
            #
            NAME
            NATIONALITY
            POINTS
            TOURNAMENTS
            1.
            McIlroy Rory
            Northern Ireland
            1979,1
            4
            2.
            Hovland Viktor
            Norway
            1953,2
            5
            3.
            Thomas Justin
            USA
            1946,3
            3
            4.
            Zalatoris Will
            USA
            1702,8
            3
            5.
            Pieters Thomas
            Belgium
            1645,2
            7
            6.
            Fox Ryan
            New Zealand
            1299,4
            10
            7.
            Larrazabal Pablo
            Spain
            1183,2
            10
            8.
            Bland Richard
            England
            1060,7
            9
            9.
            Meronk Adrian
            Poland
            972,8
            12
            10.
            Arnaus Adria
            Spain
            970,5
            11
            11.
            Smith Jordan
            +2
            England
            932,5
            11
            12.
            Lowry Shane
            -1
            Ireland
            911,6
            5
            13.
            Horsfield Sam
            -1
            England
            906,3
            5
            14.
            Hatton Tyrrell
            England
            839,8
            5
            15.
            Bekker Oliver
            South Africa
            819,5
            14
            16.
            Wu Ashun
            China
            808,6
            13
            17.
            Sharma Shubhankar
            India
            796,5
            10
            18.
            Perez Victor
            +6
            France
            787,6
            8
            19.
            Olesen Thorbjorn
            -1
            Denmark
            787,3
            10
            20.
            Cabrera-Bello Rafa
            -1
            Spain
            740,2
            6
            21.
            Fleetwood Tommy
            +1
            England
            740,0
            6
            22.
            Lawrence Thriston
            -1
            South Africa
            733,2
            14
            23.
            Morikawa Collin
            -3
            USA
            713,8
            5
            24.
            Otaegui Adrian
            -1
            Spain
            689,1
            12
            25.
            Samooja Kalle
            +61
            Finland
            682,9
            12
            26.
            Ferguson Ewen
            -1
            Scotland
            627,4
            12
            27.
            Long Hurly
            Germany
            609,7
            13
            28.
            Harding Justin
            -2
            South Africa
            600,2
            10
            29.
            Fitzpatrick Matthew
            -1
            England
            581,7
            3
            30.
            Soderberg Sebastian
            -1
            Sweden
            579,4
            12
            31.
            Hanna Chase
            -1
            USA
            565,9
            14
            32.
            Power Seamus
            -1
            Ireland
            555,3
            3
            33.
            Fisher Ross
            -1
            England
            540,5
            13
            34.
            Norris Shaun
            -1
            South Africa
            516,0
            6
            35.
            Hojgaard Nicolai
            -1
            Denmark
            505,6
            10
            36.
            Scott Adam
            -1
            Australia
            503,8
            5
            37.
            Paul Yannik
            +1
            Germany
            474,8
            13
            38.
            Besseling Wil
            +66
            Netherlands
            474,6
            13
            39.
            Ancer Abraham
            -3
            Mexico
            459,3
            3
            40.
            du Plessis Hennie
            -3
            South Africa

            DonM Today I was able to find the actual LIV Golf feed on YouTube.
            How come so few guys are under par?

            Weather was really bad the first two days as I understand it.

            rsvman2 They are back, and deliberately this time. Sorry to be the one to break the bad news.

            Yep, they've been the trend for awhile now

            garyt1957 The only reason they did that is all their decent players would have jumped to the US tour where the money and prestige is. They didn't do it out of any caring for their players.

            My point is, the shoe is on the other foot now.
            I would disagree slightly on your second point though.
            The Euro Tour is not the same (now) as it used to be. The players voices are heard.