Very interesting Peyton Manning article
Opportunism at its finest. Save the trump card, folks. Sooner or later - it will reap dividends. Even if the claims are contested, inconsistent and therefore ruled unfounded.
And I have no idea how Bill Cosby entered into the discussion. Used to be somewhat of a fan, but not any longer. The difference, you ask? A history of wrongdoing. When he wasn't still a kid in school, at that.
Yes, in my wold there is a difference. For those that can't or refuse to discern - you have my pity.
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PA-PLAYA Yes, in my wold there is a difference. For those that can't or refuse to discern - you have my pity.
My sentiments exactly. There are certain folks that go out of their way to pick a fight where none exists. It's almost like they don't have any drama or excitement in their boring little lives, so they opt to live vicariously through others failures, shortcomings, and stupidity. I guess it gives them a false sense of superiority in thinking themselves above the fray of human failure and sin.
You're acting like Peyton Manning was 15 or 16. He was a high profile student athlete at a well known university. If Bill Cosby committed all of his alleged rapes at the same university and same age as Peyton was when this alleged incident happened it changes nothing. It sounds like reverse age discrimination to me and begs the question...What on earth did you do when you were his age? 
Ironically, we don't know whether Peyton did what he was alleged to have done nor Bill Cosby but you have chose to free pass Peyton while ending your fandom for Cosby? Why? It has to be more than you think Peyton wasn't an adult and therefore not responsible while Cosby was a responsible adult.
I have no problem with people's insatiable desire for dirty laundry IF the person whose dirty laundry it is is a high profile person who accepts a ton of public pedestalization and presents an image of wholesomeness. I think Peyton qualifies here so bringing up something that was ALREADY public isn't dredging up anything. It was already out there 20 years ago. If he did it, sadly, he's getting away with it as to public opinion, again, because he could throw a football well. I think that's a bigger evil than the insatiable desire to dig up dirty laundry.
Personally, I enjoy Peyton Manning on the field playing football. Off the field I have no interest. That goes for Tiger, Cosby, or whoever. Why do we think a pro athlete deserves attention or press outside of his game? The smart ones know better than to trust their own judgment off the field. So they surround themselves with coaches, trainers, financial advisers, agents, etc. I sure in the world don't pay attention to the dumb ones that will burn through millions of dollars on drugs, parties, etc. What are their qualifications in other areas of opinion, politics, etc.?
Pa-Playa, thank you for coming back. You are a voice of reason.
The reason this stuff re-surfaced is because of title 9. Also, the Mannings settled twice with the woman. Honestly, I could give a rat's ass about Peyton Manning. As far as his career, he was very consistent, but I would have taken Marino, Brady, Montana, Favre, Rodgers, Roethlisburger over him in a game I had to win. In big games his brother was better.
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Toulon I have no problem with people's insatiable desire for dirty laundry IF the person whose dirty laundry it is is a high profile person who accepts a ton of public pedestalization and presents an image of wholesomeness. I think Peyton qualifies here so bringing up something that was ALREADY public isn't dredging up anything. It was already out there 20 years ago. If he did it, sadly, he's getting away with it as to public opinion, again, because he could throw a football well. I think that's a bigger evil than the insatiable desire to dig up dirty laundry.
It's not Manning's fault he's famous. He might appear to be wholesome because he is wholesome. He deserves the same privacy as anyone else. I did some stupid shit when I was in my early 20's, paid the price, learned from it and am a better person, husband, father and grandfather because of some of those lessons. Do you or anyone else have an entitlement to know about it? HELL NO - whether I am famous or not!
Steve...He is wholesome? Whaaaaaat? How do you know this? You wish for it to be true, therefore, the story at Tennessee must not be true in order to keep that view. That's total subjectivity.
I'm glad you learned from your mistakes. Nobody is asking for you to share but you could actually help people and perhaps you did share with your family so as to see them avoid the same mistakes you made.
The issue to me is pretty clear from reading through this thread. Those who hero worship Peyton think this is garbage and those who don't like him think he did it...or...as some others like me who don't care we are objective because we have no personal bias to start from.
Bottom line is... it's disgusting to excuse this under the guise that he was just a kid. No, you excuse it because he's Peyton freaking Manning. NOBODY should be excused from that type of behavior and should own it.
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Toulon Steve...He is wholesome? Whaaaaaat? How do you know this? You wish for it to be true, therefore, the story at Tennessee must not be true in order to keep that view. That's total subjectivity.
I did not say he was wholesome nor do I wish it to be so (how would you know what I wish?). Let me reword that sentence. Has it occurred to you that his wholesome image might be accurate? I never said the story isn't true - I said it's nobody's business. I'm not defending Manning. I don't give a shit what happened. I am disgusted with everyone's drama-queen search for smut.
sdandrea1 I can see how I may have misinterpreted your statement. You're right...I don't know for sure he is or isn't...same as you. Personal bias plays a huge role in what a person believes, though.
I understand your disgust with lust for smut. Typically, I don't care much for it either but I think in this case it's warranted to bring it up. Not bringing it up would seem to be burying it. This story is in the news and it isn't just Peyton who is cut by this. Some other former Volunteers are getting it a lot worse and if they did these things then it's rightfully so.
Toulon I can see how I may have misinterpreted your statement. You're right...I don't know for sure he is or isn't...same as you. Personal bias plays a huge role in what a person believes, though.
I understand your disgust with lust for smut. Typically, I don't care much for it either but I think in this case it's warranted to bring it up. Not bringing it up would seem to be burying it. This story is in the news and it isn't just Peyton who is cut by this. Some other former Volunteers are getting it a lot worse and if they did these things then it's rightfully so.
I get that Toulon. But I think it is only coming out because he's Peyton Manning, period. There are people doing horrible things and people being victimized every day. Who do you think the media is going to report? The wrongdoer or victim that sells the most attention, newspapers, TV, etc. I'm a Bronco fan and I cheer for Manning, yes. But please do not assume that my belief in this story is affected by that. The truth is, I don't care what he does or did in his personal life - and I think the media should follow suit. I am so glad I am not famous.
That's a bunch of bull durham... you ARE famous. Fastest to 10k club on old FGI. I still don't know how you did it and think maybe that "Fun" topic you created was how but I don't have time to look back through all those posts.
Here's some insight into Peyton Manning from Bob Kravitz:
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Toulon That's a bunch of bull durham... you ARE famous. Fastest to 10k club on old FGI. I still don't know how you did it and think maybe that "Fun" topic you created was how but I don't have time to look back through all those posts.
Fastest to 10K? Me....really? That probably makes me infamous......a dubious honor based on blabber fingers. 8*)
Whatever he did or didn't do, he has to live with it.
People with influence get a pass everyday. Jesus, OJ probably got away with murdering two people. Everyone has done something they wish they hadn't and maybe they shouldn't be elevated to other worldly status. That is our's and the marketing machine's fault for placing them there. Sure, very few people have ever played QB as well as him, but in the scheme of things, only people that revere football, or the teams he played for even really care. Seeing someone excel at their craft is inspiring. Many times it has brought tears to my eyes to see excellence. However, my experience has taught me that even the finest diamond has a fault if you look closely enough.
We are all imperfect to different levels and in the end only one opinion will truly matter.
Toulon
It's not as black and white as you suggest. I have never been a fan of the Colts or Broncos. I just don't agree with the implication that one incident defines a man's character for his entire life. And in this case there appears to be a rush to judge Manning as guilty of the physical contact version of the story.
The grudge angle is interesting. They were saying on ESPN Radio today that the Mannings were dumb to mention the matter in their book. Trying to put myself in Manning's position, I wondered what would make me inclined to hold a grudge? The answer for me is if the person making the allegation was lying. If I had done it, I would want It to just fade away.
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MidwayJ ....OR...to protect my image I would dip back into the old archives and dredge the past myself to make sure anyone who thought I wasn't a really good guy, did.
The truth is we don't know these guys. We get to see what they want us to see. That story is something he didn't want us to see. Does it mean he had a pattern of mistreating women prior and after or just the one isolated incident if indeed it happened that way?
The best course of action, to me, is to NEVER put anyone on a pedestal. There's simply no reason to do it. As you noted, we all are imperfect and none of us would want our worst stuff out there.
I truly hope he didn't do that and never did it prior or after.
Also, you're right...if you didn't do it you'd really want to talk about it to make sure everyone knew that you were incensed about it. He does react vociferously to these kinds of things. If we find out that he actually did take HGH, I think some of his past history will have to be filtered through that.
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Just happy to see the disparity in media coverage between Manning's indiscretions and others lessoned somewhat. Peyton has enjoyed being on a pedestal for most of his career. Turns out he may not be the choir boy the media has made him out to be. The blind faith gushing by the media has seemingly been undeserved.
Also, the reason this story has resurfaced is because of the current (sexual assault) lawsuit against Tennessee. In that regard what the Manning 'teabagging' incident shows is that athletes bad behavior have been given preferential treatment by colleges / universities for a long time.