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Don't lose your mind over the number fluff. Of you've got the game for a few hundred RPM of spin to make a difference that's awesome, but once you're hitting the ball 280 and under control, a little less spin or a few more yards aren't making a difference on the scorecard.

I've got a driver I can mash DEEP but I feel like it launches a little lower than what would be ideal. Guess how many strokes I lose because my driver might launch slightly low? Zero.

The numbers aren't useless, but if you've got a setup that you hit well and can control they're going to be more trouble than they're worth. Lots of time and money and stress just to gain no strokes.

Here is a quote from the US Open this year (I think -- it was definitely one of the majors) from Curtis Strange (I think -- the commentators were not on the screen at the time and it was just a couple of them talking). They were discussing Zach Johnson's driver set-up and how his launch was 13*. One of the commentators said that he could hit it further with a a higher launch, but that Zach said he didn't do that because he couldn't hit fairways with it. Strange (I believe) said, "There is a window that these players like to see their ball go through. You start looking for optimums and, well, let me tell you, the hall of fame is full of players who never saw optimum."

customgolfcenter

God....it feels good to hear a fitter talk like you do James! You must be an exceptional fitter. I get so tired of the same happy horseshit from so many others. GD Should read that post I am sure you would make Top 100. Like frank V. Said...it's first and foremost a selling tool....they see what you want them to hear.

Wow...tons of replies! Cool.

Rex, during the day I hate my job so much that I look for these stores just to go in and give myself a half hour away from wanting to cut someone's head off and stuff it in a bowling bag.

What gets me, and I think of others using these monitors too is why does the same machine give me 2 different calculations of almost the same numbers.

For me, I'm old school and like to see ballflight. The only time I have access to different shafts is on one of these....how do I know what it looks like.

My game, yeah it's fine. Just always think I'm lea ing something on the table.

Oh my putting has improved! Hahaha

Bangoman

I want to go see Frank over at Ace of clubs. It's just that I can pick up an M1 or M2 with credit from Golfers Warehouse. They guy I know there could fit me, he did a good job with my irons but I'd rather have Frank do it.

Then there is the m1 or M2 head question....I like the sliding cc weight but I'm afraid I'll be like a kid picking at a scab if I get something with a lot of adjustments!

What happens in the cage is not necessarily what will happen on the course. I think all that data just over complicates things and causes players to think too much. When the driver you selected based on the data doesn't behave on the course, how do you troubleshoot? Was it the machine? Is it the shaft? Is it the current hosel adjustment? Is it you?

The conditions in that building, on that day, with that setup and ball,etc, etc...will never be the same as the actual conditions outside on the course that you cannot control. Plus, on the course you are not "give myself a half hour away from wanting to cut someone's head off and stuff it in a bowling bag." Therefore, your entire demeanor and attitude is different. Just go out and have fun. Sounds like to me, from reading these comments, that your game is quite good, unless you make your living at, just go with it. Those numbers on the machine are just some computer geek's way of messing with you because they can't play very well...And why are the numbers different - because the computer geek's are different.

Par4QC

If I had his game the last place I would be is hitting a ball into a wall and trying to figure out how to fuck that all up with a different head-shaft combo, based on shit that even that computer doesn't know.

I'm not suggesting Ty is the Chuck Norris of golf.

But neither am I denying it.

    Pissing my pants laughing right now Steve!

    So I guess u guys would get a kick out of the fact that I Mark my golf balls " Bad Motherfucker" in sharpie.

    I'm working tonite...
    Must...resist...the GC2...

    I think I drive myself nuts with my " am I leaving something on the table" view. Always thinking I can hit it farther and be accurate.

    Same was at the gym...I'm 5-6" in heels and I use the 36" box for box jumps...but I've stacked 2 smaller boxes to get to 42"....why? Because I look at those boxes standing there and I get like a drug addict in front of a mountain of coke.

    Now if I had that attitude where I work....there it's, screw that I'm outta here.

      Typhoon

      How many strokes are you going to take off your score by (theoretically) gaining 10 yards, even if you can do it without sacrificing accuracy?

      0.5? 1.0? Is that worth $400 and the time and the stress? Keep in mind that it is entirely theoretical, too. If you're asking these questions you've ready got something that fits you pretty well. Your best case scenario stroke gain is probably 0.1-0.5/rd.

      If you're not hitting every GIR from a reasonable lie, and making 90% of your 4-footers, quit spending money on drivers. Practice. Time better spent.

        ZWExton

        But if he does that he won't be able to shop for and buy a new driver......

          Here's the deal with a GC2. I know because I own one and use it all the time in the winter.

          First the basic unit measures only four things, ball speed, launch angle, azimuth, back spin and side spin.
          It is important to understand it measures launch angle and azimuth relative to the direction, both vertical and horizontal, the wide angle lens camera is pointing. To this end the unit has a built in compensation for the unit not being level in all axis. There is a software routine to set the unit up which requires the unit to be perfectly level. It stores the offset values of the accelerometer so when the unit is not level it knows how to compensate. If this is not done the readings will be off.

          If the above is done correctly then the unit takes between 7 and 12 pictures per shot (less for fast moving, more for slow moving). These pictures are used to DIRECTLY measure the things listed above by computing the distance, angles and in the case of azimuth size, between the selected pixels and/or size in the images selected.. There is no way to juice these readings PERIOD.

          What can be done, if you are using the Foresight range or course simulation software, is a constant multiplier to the carry distance computed. This scaling factor does not in any way affect the actual measurements.
          What ever club you specify includes a constant smash factor. It is something like 1.45 for woods and 1.36 for irons. The swing speed displayed in the software is simply the ball speed divided by this number. You can also screw around with the wind speed and direction to effect the carry, ball height during flight, rate of spin change etc.

          As to accuracy the things measured are the most accurate in the launch monitor industry. Foresight publishes the accuracy specs of each unit as shipped right on the front page of their website. I would note the radar units do not.

          In summary if you hit on a properly maintained unit the results will be the same day to day, club to club within you own reputability. I do it all the time. It is actually more repeatable then going to the range or on the course since you do not have to deal with the uncertain wind, temperature and elevation conditions indoors.

          Some people are reported to have trouble repeating their course swing indoors. My experience, after having quite a few people hit on my system is that what they really have trouble with is their ability to know how far they are actually hitting the ball on the course. The indoors/outdoors thing usually goes away after hitting about 10 shots.

          There is another add on unit made by Foresight called an HMT which actually MEASURES directly clubhead variables like swing speed, attack angle,etc. with industry leading accuracy. These units require you put a few stickers on the clubface. I have no experience with these units since i do not own one. People that have them seem to think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. They do output an almost bewildering amount of numbers per shot. These are in addition to those provided by the basic unit.

          I don't know what LM they were using, but I pretty much caught the guys at my Golf Galaxy (before it closed) jacking up the elevation or temperature or something to bump up the distances. I took my numbers and put them into Tutelman's calculator and couldn't get anything close to their distances.

          Every launch monitor I have ever used has indicated that I hit the ball significantly farther than I know I can.