bad9 I may break down and try one soon. The KE4 TC is nice, but not sure it's a keeper. I've only loved 2 hybrids: OG Cleveland Halo and a Nakashima NX1. My Cally XR16 OS hybrids were nice, but then the faces flattened. Callaway sent me Rogue X replacements, but they don't seem to work anywhere near as well for me.