DonM they really are.. I don't think it matters if the good shots turn out like I expect, just the way they feel... Even better, yesterday I hit one bad hook, and maybe 5 fades. I say maybe, because of the wind, nothing sliced to hell and back. The only time I was shorter than the guys on the front 9 was because I was in the rough and didn't get much roll out. Even then, I was still fairly close to even with them.